Images with Bootloader 70 are killing clones

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If you install any new image that contains bootloader 70 on a clone box then it will refuse to boot.

The only fix is using dreamup and a serial cable to flash bootloader 69 onto it. Then it seems fine again. Its working here with bootloader 69 flashed over the top of Nabilio 0.6 blackhole

Heres a link to bootloader 69 if you have the same problem.

Remember you need to serial flash it as the DHCP / Network method is locked out. Screen only displays *** ERR01: NO CA FOUND ***
 
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Yes there are now 3 revisions that i know of.

1st with ethernet port in the wrong place.
2nd with the above fixed but with no glue on the sim security measure.
3rd as above but with epoxy glue on the sim security card.

They've been out a while now, some are claiming that they have better build quailty than the originals, they also have heatsink where as the orignals do not
 
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So there is no clone boxing but other revisions?

My Box is the first generation and works perfectly.
 
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No i mean that there are 3 different clones of the DM800. They all suffer from the 70 bootloader problem.
 
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I know of 2 clones!

If this problem with the bootloader is fact then that shows hardware differences imo. If Dream wanted to stop clones it would be adios amigo all over again.And no way back with just a null cable.

Just my thoughts.

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gonesuper could you tell me if your 800 clone has the simcard on the motherboard? Front right hand corner is where it should be!

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Yes its identical, even has a drop of epoxy resin on the sim to stop it jarring open.

The only differences are that it has a heatsink on one of the chips where as the original does not, the underside has a slightly different vent layout and the dvi cable comes in a clear plastic bag.
 
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Gonesuper, thank you for your information. My Drem s/n 8B1513000050412, probably can be clone. I install Gemini 4.00, it workes, but I can't use DHCP/Network method now. I opened my Drem and saw that it has a drop of epoxy resin on the sim. But I can't see heatsink on one of the chips. Could you tell me where is that chip? And could you tell me more about a slightly different vent layout underside? Thanks in advance
 
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To be honest i wouldn't trust a gemini image even if it should work, mostly because of their past efforts to kill clones.

Do you're self a favour and install nabilosat blackhole 0.6 to flash then use dream up and a serial cable to flash bootloader 69 to the box.

This will have it working with one of the best images out.

Newnigma is also great, a little faster but lacking the sky uk and it epg that nabilosat has.
 
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Hi all
My DM 800 is a clone, I got the error message "CA NOT FOUND", so I tried Dremup, but it doesn't detect my DM, I can't flash it neither with DHCP nor with Dreamup.
any solution to get it working again.
Thanks
 
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Hello kitp,

You must flash it with Dreamup using a serial cable. Your box cannot get any IP address anymore. Once reflashed with secondstage bootloader 69, it will work again.

cheers
 
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so you flash first wwith nabilo black hole 0.6 via dreamup then immediately after flash via dreamup (serial only) bootloader #69?
 
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I have an original DM800 since it's release in UK market form May/June 2008.
Hal al sort of problems with it and most overcomed by new releases of formware and drivers.

Now Yesterday I got a DM800 clone for a friend that I'm configuering and testing right now.

I've very impressed with build quality and how it's very difficult to tell apart from my original.

I got to say it's noticable faster but overheats more.

Does not lust more than 3o Seconds on DVB-S2 channels before it's starts to either breakup image or loss signal on DVB-S2.

Has Heatsink on Chip and I think that is the problem unless you use a fan to extract the hot hair out.
The heatsink dispurses the hot air direct to the tunner causing it to maulfunction.

Never the less it's fasta on zapping and now with a 50mm x 10mm 12v fan conected to the power connection used for the internal hard drive it runns cooler than my original box and no freezes.

I Also tried out the original SIM card form my Receiver on the clone. The result is that the clone became an Original. Acception Secondbootstage 70 on flash.
The Simm card carries the Built Date and serial number of my original box to the Clone.

This means when you telnet into the original or the clone when the box is in setup mode you get access to the BIOS of the box.

On a clone with non original sim it shows the current booloader but as for serial number and Build date it shows as NA. no Data available.
Well if you replace this sim card with an original sim card your clone becames the original including the originals MAC address.

In other words apart from the Modem module that has no components on it's board the Clone in question is just like the original and the major diffirence is the SIM card.

Question now is how to clone the original SIM card.

I still recomend buying original but at over £100 cheaper the Clones are not bad at all. You can allways load newer imagens on Flash Pen or hard drive but you will not get the benefits of new drivers untill of course a ways is found on bypassing the SIM problem.
 
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Hi everybody,
Jobusca, i have read your post, and found it very interesting...i would know if you have some more informations, about this ...
What is the sim card you are talking about ? is it the network card wich carry the Mac address ? how have you done ? have you removed physically this sim card from your original dm800 to place it on the clone ?

Did you have found an solution ? or any interesting informations to reproduce the manipulation you have done by software ?

Thanks for infos
 
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