No more EMM or ECM Patterns??? What Now?

[biss_whisperer]

@kebien
some did mention the keys worked, but did they ever share the new ecm key in public or private?
meanwhile a few of us have been monitoring this mux for days now and there has been no sign of the emm stream. are we to believe those that mentioned the key works got extremely lucky when they tried to auto roll with the key you posted at the exact right time the emm stream momentarily reappeared for a very short period of time?

on a different note its good to hear you believe keys should not be posted in public unless its for testing or troubleshooting purposes. the problem is you posted the key before you knew there was even an issue, moreover what the issue was. you even told the OP in a later post (#14) to just auto roll the ecm with the emm key you posted, but that was after the OP said the emm is not in the stream! i think it was you who did not analyze the situation. however, it was me who confirmed that the emm stream is gone after the OP mentioned his recordings were empty. but again this all came to light AFTER you posted an emm key.

to answer your questions..i do not know if there are other methods being used to send the emm key or if the keys can be entered manually. its been almost two years since the hack was published..i can guarantee an engineer could make that possiblilty a reality in that time.

not every problem has to be analyzed to the Nth degree. this one is obvious, the emm stream is gone. the difference is you think its unintentional and i think its intentional. do you honestly believe the uplinkers do not notice the stream is missing and risk service disruption for legit paying customers? i will say this, i hope you are right, but time will tell.

edit: my monitoring just alerted that 0x005a just showed up. i am sending the new ecm keys to the OP.

 

[kebien]

Biss whisperer
The first mistake you've made is thinking a system that relies on EMM is going to just not use it anymore for some delusional reason.
I guarantee no engineer can make that happen.

 

[biss_whisperer]

we will just have to agree to disagree.
but it begs the question of why a valid emm key was posted in the public domain if nothing was ever wrong in the first place..thats also delusional especially after i blew more holes in your reasoning behind it than swiss cheese.
but again if you think posting the keys in the public domain has no effect than why have you not posted all of them?

 

[kebien]

we will just have to agree to disagree.
but it begs the question of why a valid emm key was posted in the public domain if nothing was ever wrong in the first place..thats also delusional especially after i blew more holes in your reasoning behind it than swiss cheese.
but again if you think posting the keys in the public domain has no effect than why have you not posted all of them?

Thinking you did any damage in my approach is simply risible,specially when the only one that did something toward a solution was......humm,anyway....

Think about it : why would I post all keys when everyone can run PVHE for couple days and get keys to fill a drive?
The tools are there and accessible.
I wont be "saving" anybody else this work,specially knowing the people LEARN a lot about this subject while doing it.
At the same time,they get to keep the keys they find and do whatever they want with it.
I assume anybody watching powervu channels are in possession of hundred of keys by now.
Sorry you are not,but you keep what you find,let others do what they want.
Are you Boss? I remember he tried to make business by not letting anyone to get EMM keys.....freeware killed him....same way it killed all your "protection"....only people with an agenda would complain about posting EMM keys you can get in an hour with PVHE.

You mean there was not a problem in the first place and this whole thread started for no reason? and where is my fault in that?

What about your paranoia about the provider doing spooky things and not really doing anything at all,going by your same train of thoughts? isn't that the meaning of delusional?

Some people never learn.
And push others to be in the dark,because of their uneducated theories.

 

[merkin]

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[biss_whisperer]

bro, read my post http://www.sat-universe.com/showpost.php?p=2036723127&postcount=11

its virtually the same thing you just repeated above.
yes there are tools and yes most people prolly have 'hundreds' of keys, but for some reason you still posted one? and when i confronted you said it doesnt matter if keys are in public. but you were a mod at a forum where it did matter. and colibri said it did matter. and you still will not post all your keys? it sounds like you are the one protecting something.

the thread started because the emm stream stopped. then your shotgun reaction was to post a key because you failed to "analyze the situation" that any demux app could show the reason the OP couldnt auto-roll and it was simple. now you have showed your true colors by all talk and no action and now you claim to be a victim. gimme a break.

 

[kebien]

Let's start again

OP posted
****SES 1 4020 H 30000 stopped sending patterns ...is anyone able to get the new ECM key?"""

It says EMM stopped or it say that there are no more patterns in EMM??

I didn't fail to analyze it,it literally say there is no more patterns in EMM.
EMM might have no patterns if they wish to.
He is asking to get new ECM keys,I offered a key to autoroll,as a first attempt to help him,may be possible he cannot autorloll......even when EMM has 0 pattern,you can still roll keys knowing an EMM key.
Way after he posted he gets 0 bytes in file.

Maybe you have no idea how to troubleshoot problems,but i do.
Thanks for trying to stop any help people can get,Boss.
Why do you come to this forum that's against all you believe and has 400 EMM keys posted? stop reading and go back to where you believe are doing the right thing.

 

[biss_whisperer]

you failed to analyze by not looking into the situation before posting a key. i am the one that confirmed lack of patterns was not the issue. and that issue can not be resolved by posting a emm key.

you would make a good politician speaking out of both sides of your mouth. your actions speak louder than words, even though colibri and the forum that you once moderated was against it. you could have sent the key via pm or looked at the mux before posting (like i did) at which point you would have realized that posting an emm key would not solve the issue.

doesnt sound the actions of someone that "knows how to troubleshoot problems". keep defending your actions since your words obviously mean nothing. or do you still plan on posting all your keys since it doesnt matter?

 

[jan55]

No more EMM or ECM Patterns??? What Now?

now WAIT ...

provider must send EMM in stream, always before each the change ECMKeys (in time 1-2hrs minimum)
OK? :thum:

 

[kebien]

Just because you think you know colibri and DVBN,shows how little you know.
Colibri abode the rules of DVBN,and also abode this forum,with very different rules,a true gentleman.
You can see his releases are freeware oriented,meaning to share publicly the code and development.
You in the other hand,pretend to condemn someone for posting an EMM key,under an umbrella that is not there anymore......
EMM keys do not matter if they are posted or not anymore,and specially in this forum,even the developers post EMM keys.....(anubis jr,Jimbizkit,colibri)
I didn't break any rule,and you want to make new ones....
Maybe is not the forum you should be in.

 

[biss_whisperer]

actions speak louder than words. post all your keys if it doesnt matter or stfu!

 

[kebien]

Simply a bully and a troll.
Not good for this hobby.And surely a waste of bandwidth for this forum.
You asked for keys,were given to you,never shared.(maybe just once)
You asked for code,it was given to you,not even a thank you.
You surely work for somebody,only someone with an agenda behave like this.
As you said,Boss,actions speak louder than words.

 

[biss_whisperer]

playing the victim card again
you said all the tools easily and freely are available to get the keys, but you post them anyways
i share keys in private all the time
i thanked colibri
i work for nobody
i did give my original emm logs from december 2014 to @Wizard under the assumption the project would be open source, but @Wizard and @Boss lied. lack of trust is the only thing not good for this hobby. i do feel sorry for the suckers who overpaid for those dreamboxes, but in order for someone to take advantage of another indivdual, that individual must allows it to happen, so it not a one-way street. this world is full of cons.

you have done a bad job of explaining your actions..unfortunately for you they speak louder than words.
not sure why you think i am @Boss, i just know that posting keys in public was something colibri discouraged. afterall all there is too much to lose and nothing to gain. nothing wrong with sharing privately.

 

[kebien]

he he.....I have to explain my actions to no one,still did,and you just do not like them.Suck it up.

But in this forum,you and nobody is allowed to ask to explain people actions,as long as no rules are broken.
You just obey different set of rules than this forum,and still do not have the right to question people's actions.

You were a sucker that fed a commercial interest in Boss forums,they turned on you.........go cry a river...but not here.
Where were you when I defended colibri and freeware and was attacked,bullied,expelled for supporting Oscam freeware,and then PVHE? right...exactly where you are now.......attacking the only one that made a move to find a solution to a problem.......

Whoever told you you are wise by doing this ,you can do it in the that forum you frequent,but here there are rules that you have not made and if you are not happy with them,you can go back there and forget this one.
Here people can post EMM keys,or any keys.......
Again,suck it up.

 

[LoveMyDish]

Am I confused or something??

I can confirm that SES1 4020 is sending EMMs. It sends EMMS for 30 seconds, and then pauses with no data for 100 seconds and then loops. There are 843 active AU's

AutoRolling works just fine.

 

[kebien]

yes,now is normal,but EMM disappeared.
People panic when the EMM is gone for 3 days or more.
But it happened right after a key change,which would spark wild theories with no foundation.

 

[biss_whisperer]

@kebien
you need to reread this entire thread. my first post was after you posted the keys and AFTER you bitched that no one posted the new ecms..TWICE! AND to this day/hour/minute/second still no one has posted the new ecm keys in this thread for you. why have you stopped begging?

your REASON for posting the keys was the spark that lit this flame. you posted the keys "to help OP find out the issue", when in reality all you had to do was tune the mux and monitor the pid (WHICH IS EXACLTY WHAT I DID..NOT YOU).

i said many posts back that i was watching pvu before pvhe/pvemu ever existed. after colibri published the hack some friends and i were watching within a couple weeks. thats what happens when you have friends that you can trust. sure that is hard for you to understand, but thats your problem not mine.

doubt colibri needs your defense, but he can speak for himself. i am not sure where i was while you trolled Boss's site, but perhaps i was already watching pvu. maybe Boss had rules and you did not like the rules..sound familiar? my handle at that forum was @0x01f4, which is strange because Boss henchmen accused me of being the fed after posting something that was beyond the rube's comprehension and now you are accusing me of being Boss.

and exactly what problem did you personally solve with regards to freeware? you didnt contribute a god damn thing that i ever relied on. i owe you nothing and neither does anyone else in this hobby.

also you have no proof that the emms stopped "right" after an ecm update. and like i said, i only responded after you begged like a child for someone to post the new ecm which is ironic because it was IMPOSSIBLE for someone to post the new ecm without an emm stream. if you are the "master analyzer" and "problem solver" how did this not occur to you?

btw..we all still wait for you to post your 1000's of keys since it doesnt matter. (those are your words not mine)

you still think this is about following rules. trying to convince people that posting keys in public has no effect, but you cannot prove that any more than i can prove it does. its about common sense and you obviously have none since anyone can see that posting keys in PUBLIC is too much to lose and nothing to gain. just ask your boss at your old job where it was against the rules. and my proof is that no one has yet to post the new ecm despite all your crying and begging.

 

[kebien]

You wrong
ECM keys are not posted here.
They are posted in the appropriate section,and they are posted for this trasponder.
I guess you are not only losing your mind but also sections to read in this forum,you should check around.
I beg people to help each other,no need to beg for keys.

I think you are pissed off and trying to find things to throw at me.
You mean I should give a f@ck about how long you been watching powervu ? anybody here cares?

But is more dirt over you : certainly you were never for freeware,since you been doing it well before anybody else and never expected any public release (the people you were helping were selling their own closed dreambox version with a daugtherboard,a plain rip off..to colibri who posted it publically,and to the people).....again,do not come here talking common sense,you just demonstrated the only sense you understand is yourself sense...
I guess freeware killed all your options to be the only one watching powervu,uh?
That must be why you are so pissed people in this forum post EMM keys,or even ECM keys.

You are also found to be following a pattern of trolling the forums : you were kicked out? should we wonder what's the agenda?
because you are certainly not helping this forum at all.

giver

 

[kebien]

Humm
I think you should refrain from looking at the key section.I should not have mentioned it.
Many of the developers and users posted tons of EMM and ECM keys.
I would not like you to end up in the psychiatric ward.
Or worst : you trying to beat up some common (your very own) sense off each of them like you are doing here.

 

[biss_whisperer]

hey beggar, why didnt you post the key in the "appropriate" section?

at least others use common sense and they post in the correct place and they dont beg like a child. here is a thought..find your own ecm key if you got an emm key.

why dont you ask yourself why colibri didnt post tools to get pvu keys..he only published a hack..thats it!

and then ask yourself why you still have not posted your other keys..because you are all talk and no action.