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Hi all,
Now I need help selecting an economical Receiver as the old one I have can not do even 8psk.
Many of you may know me as I been a poster here. But the truth is that for more that 5 years I been without Sat equipment. Reason is that I am old, broke and without money!!
PLEASE do not focus on IKS or any of those ip services.
I wish a receiver that have Opensource support, so that I can build on it if needed. Best if it is Android. Or Enigma with oscam capabilities.
If you offers me the minimum low cost receiver that is close source, please see if it has any of those forward TS2IP feature. So that I can at least receive signal from receiver via IP to a PC. The I can manipulate signals on PC. I do not if you see my point.
A low cost receiver that can be control via IP will; meet my minimum requirement.

But if you think that you know an average receiver that is a MOST HAVE please forward that info too.
Please receive my BIG THANKS ahead.
 
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I know to many threads on receivers. But PLEASE see that my need is different. Most look for 4K or 4.2.2 or IKS service, etc.

I am ONLY looking for the least expensive box programmable ( Android or E2) or an inexpensive dummy receiver that can forward Transponder to PC. If you know the best I can afford for the $$ Please help.
 
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@cayoenrique

If you want to control the receiver by IP I think an E2 receiver is going to be your best option.
Android receivers are not as easy to connect to and control as E2 receivers.

You can use an FTP client like Filezilla to connect to the E2 file system in the receiver and use the WebIf to control the receiver for scanning, changing channel and streaming.
Perhaps look around for a second user cheap E2 receiver on your local online marketplaces. There might be some non 4K receivers available that would be good for your needs.

Possible makes of E2 receivers to look out for are Dreambox, Edision, Gigablue, Octagon and Vu+
They are all available in Europe but I am not sure if they will be available in your part of the world, there might be a different range of E2 makes available?


Good luck with your search.
 
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Octagon SF8008 E2

Its the cheapest i think and the best for what you are looking for.

But for 4:2:2 its better to use a card like TBS here are some models

USB TBS5927
PCI-E TBS6903
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mdkgr said:
Octagon SF8008 E2

Its the cheapest i think and the best for what you are looking for.

But for 4:2:2 its better to use a card like TBS usb or PCI-E.
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+1 agreed.
The Octagon SF8008 is a good receiver, great value for money.
It just depends if there are any available where @cayoenrique lives and if they are in his price range?

For DVB PCI/PCIe cards that go into a PC, any of the older models from Prof or TBS would be OK provided drivers are available for whatever O/S is used in the PC
Older TBS cards that I can think of are TBS 6922, TBS6925, TBS 6981, TBS 6982. The Prof Revolution DVB cards are also OK.
 
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@World-of-Satellite

How is the process to get help from World-of-Satellite?
Main question what is the shipping cost.

@all
What other suppliers sell/ship Octagon/Amiko to US-protectorates ? in case World-of-Satellite can not.

Android/E2 Rcvr need to be opensource. I hate when companies stop servicing a receiver after 1 or 2 years, making Rcvr a paper weight.

Android once have open boot-loaders can be rooted. This effectively makes android just a Linux pc. From there android box can be control via ssh. Best is to have a provider that have its opensources for the kernel on github.

Yes USB PCSAT are a good powerfull option, but PC+USB PCSAT use lots of power. I do prefer a programmable receiver or with an option to do transponder to IP.

Thanks to all for suggestions.
 
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There are USA suppliers who sell E2 receivers but links on the forum are not allowed.

Octagon are good at supporting their receivers, possibly one of the better companies for after market support.
The Android receivers are possibly less well supported after marketing.
 
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Android i believe dont worth the try from my point of view, if you would explain a bit better what are you trying to achieve you will get the best suggestion, as you say above you need oscam on box, best for me whatever E2 box which can be controlled remoteley in many ways, as for building there are people out there already building various apps for E2.

What is your goal?
 
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1rst big thanks, at all.

For sat projects E2 or Android for me is about same. Both used Linux kernels at its core. Now I have no experience om Enigma. But have work nicely on Android.
You see Android as a limited OS. What I do is install Linux Debian Server inside Android. Yes both run at same time. And I can do with Debian what ever I want, just as it is a PC. CPU/Memory is only the limit.

I will expect that an Enigma box with a Good CPU / Memory will do the same thing. But I have never done.

I need a receiver box to have Unlock Bootloaders, so that I can be root on its kernel. For me this is a most. In the future 1-5 years when the Manufacturer decide to stop support, I can always TRY to keep it a live. At worst, in the event I can not do Sat, I can have another Linux Debian Server for general purpose.

I guess what I just described is what confuse many here. That have nothing to do with any Sat project. Only purpose is to allow me to be the Real master/owner of the box.

What is your goal?
I am no real Feed Hunter. Nor I have the rest of the equipment to be a 100 C-Band enthusiast, In particular I have no real C-Band Antenna.
From my past old experience In America there is not much Ku band hacking, except for some Pay hidden IKS. From what I know there is no Gshare, forever, etc on America.

So what I expect to have is a minimum satellite receiver that can allow me to log any signal. Then I can study if I need. This way I do not have to keep asking for TS logs to others.
Hopefully I would acquire one of the last hacked providers. At minimum I will point a 1.8m to one of the last strong powervu transponders.

Now the last choice is to get a very low cost receiver. Problem with this devices is that they are close source and very small NAND ROM. Then I will end up in the usual no more support issue.
But If at least they can do ts2IP so that I can use in the future a PC to modify channel then may be I will look into it.

What about that "2023 Original ZGEMMA H9.2H 4K UHD 2160p E2 Linux HD Digital TV Decoder Smart TV Dec DVB-S2X+DVB-T2/C Combo digital tv box"
I see it is only 256MB NAND Flash / 1GB DDR3 Memory. Is this a true E2 receiver, where I can install oscam?
 
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Almost all satellite receivers do not allow storing fullTS (I think the limit is 64 pids). Satellite cards allow storing fullTS (all pids).
Code: 
root@osmio4kplus:~# dvbsnoop -b -n 10 -s ts  0x0010  > ts_file.pid0x0010.bin

root@osmio4kplus:~# dvbsnoop -b -n 10 -s ts -tsraw  > ts_file.bin
Error(22): DMX_SET_PES_FILTER failed: : Invalid argument

oscam has 1-2 MB, it is not a problem to put it in the receiver

PS: Small compare input tuners and DVB-S2X with ShortFrameRate.
Boxes that use M88RS6060 without problems, all mods that the operator tried here
Boxes that use AVL6261C without problems even after the FW update for the tuner
Boxes that use BCM45308X only some mods in ShortMode mode
Boxes that use Si216x no support, during the whole test they did not know the transponder was locked (no LOCK )
 
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cayoenrique said:
1rst big thanks, at all.

For sat projects E2 or Android for me is about same. Both used Linux kernels at its core. Now I have no experience om Enigma. But have work nicely on Android.
You see Android as a limited OS. What I do is install Linux Debian Server inside Android. Yes both run at same time. And I can do with Debian what ever I want, just as it is a PC. CPU/Memory is only the limit.

I will expect that an Enigma box with a Good CPU / Memory will do the same thing. But I have never done.

I need a receiver box to have Unlock Bootloaders, so that I can be root on its kernel. For me this is a most. In the future 1-5 years when the Manufacturer decide to stop support, I can always TRY to keep it a live. At worst, in the event I can not do Sat, I can have another Linux Debian Server for general purpose.

I guess what I just described is what confuse many here. That have nothing to do with any Sat project. Only purpose is to allow me to be the Real master/owner of the box.

What is your goal?
I am no real Feed Hunter. Nor I have the rest of the equipment to be a 100 C-Band enthusiast, In particular I have no real C-Band Antenna.
From my past old experience In America there is not much Ku band hacking, except for some Pay hidden IKS. From what I know there is no Gshare, forever, etc on America.

So what I expect to have is a minimum satellite receiver that can allow me to log any signal. Then I can study if I need. This way I do not have to keep asking for TS logs to others.
Hopefully I would acquire one of the last hacked providers. At minimum I will point a 1.8m to one of the last strong powervu transponders.

Now the last choice is to get a very low cost receiver. Problem with this devices is that they are close source and very small NAND ROM. Then I will end up in the usual no more support issue.
But If at least they can do ts2IP so that I can use in the future a PC to modify channel then may be I will look into it.

What about that "2023 Original ZGEMMA H9.2H 4K UHD 2160p E2 Linux HD Digital TV Decoder Smart TV Dec DVB-S2X+DVB-T2/C Combo digital tv box"
I see it is only 256MB NAND Flash / 1GB DDR3 Memory. Is this a true E2 receiver, where I can install oscam?
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Good morning.

Honestly i believe that you should better buy a cheap refurbished medium spec older gen laptop + TBS USB card, it should do everything better than anything else discussed above based on your data provided about your goal.

I believe that you are not gonna spent more than 150USD (refurb lap HP elitebook G4 series [50-90 bucks] + card TBS5930 lite DVB-S2/S Universal TV Tuner USB Card [60 bucks]).

Feel free to ask anything!
 
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@EnoSat
As I been away for more that 5 years I have no knowledge of DVB-S2X with ShortFrameRate/ShortMode mode. But will be happy to learn.

Now do you have any knowledge on the suggested equipment, which have good tuners?

AMIKO VIPER 4K V40 TWIN DVB-S2X 4K UHD
Octagon SF8008
ZGEMMA H9.2H 4K UHD
TBS5930 lite

@mdkgr
I currently own a TBS QBOX S2 (USB). But It can not lock on 8osk nor hi fec s etc. Ir can be use to do spectrum scan by using Prof 7500 firmware. But the new transponders are 8/16/32 psk. And I do have an old PC that I used as a HTPC. But I want to reduce power consumption for long lasting TV used..

Now TBS5930 lite does it have a good Tuner? What about the problems described by EnoSat or the HI SR problems seen on some transponders?
Do you own one?
How it work for you?
Where is the best place to purchase on America for quality, or Alliexpres chinese versions are fine?
I need check about Linux drivers too.

Listen guys, I do not want to spent a lot as I should by new antenna Hardware too, like new lnbs with low noise figures? Mines are 10 years or older.

But willing to listen to all suggestions. Let say most of you say you most by Octagon SF8008. Then I will consider that too.

Again THANKS to all
 
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cayoenrique said:
AMIKO VIPER 4K V40 TWIN DVB-S2X 4K UHD
Octagon SF8008
ZGEMMA H9.2H 4K UHD
TBS5930 lite
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Si2166D - AMIKO VIPER 4K V40 TWIN DVB-S2X 4K UHD
Si2166D - Octagon SF8008
Si2166D - ZGEMMA H9.2H 4K UHD
M88RS6060 - ZGEMMA H11S
GX1133 or TAS2101 - TBS5930 lite (attention lite without DVB-S2X)
 
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!Ups I am confuse.

I thought I was given Octagon SF8008 as the best. But from previous post you said:
EnoSat said:
...Boxes that use Si216x no support, during the whole test they did not know the transponder was locked (no LOCK )...
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And from your last post Octagon SF8008 has Si2166D. So I conclude Octagon SF8008 will have problems locking some DVB-S2X.

From last post my best option is M88RS6060 - ZGEMMA H11S. So know I will be reading some on ZGEMMA H11S.

@EnoSat Did I understood correct?
 
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cayoenrique said:
!Ups I am confuse.
I thought I was given Octagon SF8008 as the best. But from previous post you said:
And from your last post Octagon SF8008 has Si2166D. So I conclude Octagon SF8008 will have problems locking some DVB-S2X.
From last post my best option is M88RS6060 - ZGEMMA H11S. So know I will be reading some on ZGEMMA H11S.
@EnoSat Did I understood correct?
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Are you going to use blind scan in your new receiver?
If you are then make sure you know that the blind scan will work OK on the E2 image and the model of receiver if you go for E2.

Some of the zgemma range of receivers are not good at blind scan. If you are considering a zgemma I would check a few forums with E2 sections for feedback about the blind scan.
I had a zgemma H11S and the blind scan was not good. It would scan the transponder frequencies OK but when it came to scan the transponders as channels it often used to hang.

For DVB-S, DVB-S2 and DVB-S2X with QPSK, 8PSK, 16APSK and 32APSK, the receiver I use is the Octagon SF8008. It does all those parameters.

For a DVB PCIe card, the TBS6902 might be OK for you but it does not do DVB-S2X. If you get this card try to get the v1 model, the v2 model uses a different chip and I am not sure if it is fully supported by CrazyScan and Streamreader? For DVB-S2X with a TBS PCIe card the TBS6903x works but it is slow to scan and there are problems reported by some users.
 
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I see. Octagon SF8008 best for blindscan.

On old receivers bind-scan is the process of finding transponders details. Then after adding new transponder we search for channels.

You are telling me that zgemma receivers do find the transponder details and add them. But are bad at finding channels, as you said " it often used to hang". Weird. Seems to me that they need more timing spent at searching PAT/PMT info. That is a good feature found on PC/dvbdream.

Listen guys I be here listening a litle more. I am having trouble with constant rain, so I have not been able to work on my roof antena. Temporary I will see of I can test on a 1.1 m on a pole in backyard. At the moment I have use crazyscan on TBSQBOXII for ku in 34W. I can see beutifull spectrum but no luck in locking to access french channels. Hope to try my very old Cband LNBF and see id I have better luck searching for M T N. Definitely I should not have any luck with A F N as it is 8 PSK.

So I will keep coming back as I do definitely need a new receiver capable of 8/16/32 psk.
 
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