Vivacom Hot Bird@ 13° E

[tedy58]

Vivacom since 2 days've included and Nagra encryption CAID:1878 (For now only at 12713 V 30000 5/6 8psk), which is Bulastcom' provider cardless receivers and modules' caid.
Now and Bulsatcom (Hellas Sat 3 @ 39E) is owned by United Group (Vivacom's owner). Still not open channels, but may be soon!

 

[lunatik]

Can you catch Vivacom (RING HD) channels in PORTUGAL or not?

 

[worthysleet]

In Georgia, on the eastern coast of the Black Sea, there is no signal on a 110 cm antenna with Inverto Ultra LNB, and Bulgaria is on the western coast of the Black Sea.

 

[edir66]

I guess it's a tiny but very strong spot beam for the region, as the reception is excellent on all 5 frequencies in Istanbul with a T90 dish.
Probably even a 60 cm dish would be enough to see signal levels over 10 dB

https://i.ibb.co/MCYW1XK/13-E-12673-V.jpg

 

[Yeoman]

I guess it's a tiny but very strong spot beam for the region, as the reception is excellent on all 5 frequencies in Istanbul with a T90 dish.
Probably even a 60 cm dish would be enough to see signal levels over 10 dB

https://i.ibb.co/MCYW1XK/13-E-12673-V.jpg

How big a dish would you need in Southern England to receive the signal from all 5 frequencies?

 

[manic01]

How big a dish would you need in Southern England to receive the signal from all 5 frequencies?

Far too big

 

[Yeoman]

Can you be specific ?

Is there anyone who lives in the south east of England with a 1.8 metre dish or bigger that can get the signal from either Vivacom or Nova / Cosmote on 13 East ?

Thanks.

 

[manic01]

Can you be specific ?

Is there anyone who lives in the south east of England with a 1.8 metre dish or bigger that can get the signal from either Vivacom or Nova / Cosmote on 13 East ?

Thanks.

@moonbase

 

[moonbase]

Can you be specific ?

Is there anyone who lives in the south east of England with a 1.8 metre dish or bigger that can get the signal from either Vivacom or Nova / Cosmote on 13 East ?

Thanks.

I am not getting a glimmer of a signal from the Vivacom signals from the South East beam on a 1.5m dish 'ere in leafy Surrey on a satellite receiver.

The Nova frequencies on the South East beam seem to be stronger than the Vivacom frequencies on the same beam.
Some of the Nova's on the South East beam are quite close to a lock with a 1.5m dish, others are present but need a few more dB to lock.
At a guess, a 1.8m will lock the Nova on 11804V, listed as being from the South East beam.

The kids round 'ere are locking Nova on 11823H wiv dustbin lids but that wan is on the Wide beam and not the South East beam.

 

[moonbase]

Following on from yesterdays quick test of the Nova frequencies on the South East beam with a small 1.5m dish, I stepped up to a medium size dish today.
With a 2.0m dish the Nova frequency on 11804V, SR30000 is lockable, solid and stable, no problem at all.

It is solid grey cloud today and damp 'ere. On a clear day I think this frequency should be lockable on a decent 1.8m dish ?
Picture attached below of this frequency locking in Crazy Scan (highlighted in the green oval).

Location: Leafy Surrey, Saarf East UK.

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[barney115]

For me 13E 11823 H 27500 - 19.2db 97% Signal on the small handful of Costmote and Nova channels
13E 11804 V 30000 - ZERO db 0% Small spike in signal but as usual no hope of a lock on my 2 Meter Prime Focus Dish .
Beam likely cuts off just around S/E UK so you most like catching the outside edge of the beam or overflow i assume ??

 

[moonbase]

For me 13E 11823 H 27500 - 19.2db 97% Signal on the small handful of Costmote and Nova channels
13E 11804 V 30000 - ZERO db 0% Small spike in signal but as usual no hope of a lock on my 2 Meter Prime Focus Dish .
Beam likely cuts off just around S/E UK so you most like catching the outside edge of the beam or overflow i assume ??

@barney115

I am probably catching some sort of overflow or scatter?
As far as I am aware there is no footprint map published for the South East beam of 13.0E so it is difficult to confirm if I am under the outer edge of the beam.

Since my quick lash up earlier today, I tweaked the skew and Az-El slightly which got me almost another 2dB, up to 11.8dB. Updated picture of increased signal level attached below.
At 11.8dB from a 2.0m dish, anywan in the South East UK should be able to lock this Nova on 11804V with a 1.8m dish. If they cant, they should give up the game in shame.

Update:
Added an EBSPro scan showing all the channels in the Nova mux on 11804V.
I have my doubts that this frequency really is on the South East beam, I am ripping the shit outta it 'ere in the Saarf East UK.

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[moonbase]

Last couple of pictures for the Nova package on 11804V are attached below. The frequency is supposedly from the South East beam of 13.0E ?
The pictures are from a spectrum analyser, all three showing the frequency is locked and identified as Nova.

Dish Location:
Leafy Surrey in South East UK.

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[Yeoman]

Last couple of pictures for the Nova package on 11804V are attached below. The frequency is supposedly from the South East beam of 13.0E ?
The pictures are from a spectrum analyser, all three showing the frequency is locked and identified as Nova.

Dish Location:
Leafy Surrey in South East UK.

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Thanks for all that.

Are you saying then that even with a 2 metre dish the only Nova TP you can lock is 11804 V and you can't get any of the Vivacom TPs on 13 East.

Can you even get a weak signal on the other Nova TPs that have now switched beam?

 

[barney115]

Thanks for all that.

Are you saying then that even with a 2 metre dish the only Nova TP you can lock is 11804 V and you can't get any of the Vivacom TPs on 13 East.

Can you even get a weak signal on the other Nova TPs that have now switched beam?

I Think moonbase already mentioned Vivacom signals is impossible and nobody even S/E UK is reporting a signal anymore ,
i am very sure @moonbase will totally confirm even a 2M dish wont catch Vivacom signals anymore .

I am not getting a glimmer of a signal from the Vivacom signals from the South East beam

i myself am quite close to getting that lock myself on 11804 V 30000
possibly if no clouds and a clear day i might catch a glimmer but i reckon i'd need a 2.4m dish or bigger to stand any chance at all all the way up in far NW Eire : )
Vivacom signals they just do not want anyone from UK/Ireland to have any hope whatsoever it is plain and obvious .

 

[moonbase]

Thanks for all that.
Are you saying then that even with a 2 metre dish the only Nova TP you can lock is 11804 V and you can't get any of the Vivacom TPs on 13 East.
Can you even get a weak signal on the other Nova TPs that have now switched beam?

The Nova frequency of 11804V is the strongest of all those on the South East beam from 13.0E. It made sense to focus on that one first to see if it was possible to lock it.
Some of the other Nova's were registering signals on a spectrum analyser but I did not them check in detail with the 2.0m dish today.
The Vivacom's look to be unlockable with a 2.0m dish at a UK location.

There might be some strange parameters in play with these Nova's, an older receiver (Dr HD F15) would not lock 11804V and reported spurious signal level readings.
An android receiver, spectrum analyser and a TBS card all locked 11804V easily, well above the level required for a lock and gave accurate signal level readings.

There might be some odd artefacts in play with the signal level due to the beam not being aimed at the UK, perhaps I am picking up a side lobe from the main beam.
Anyway, one thing is for sure, I have confirmed that it is possible to receive a frequency from the South East beam of 13.0E at a UK location.
Perhaps a step up to a 2.4m or 3.0m dish will allow reception of more South East beam frequencies in the UK, who knows ?

'ere, picture of one of the Nova Sport channels, locked and open from a UK location, job done !

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[barney115]

Very good testing @moonbase
and you backed up your testing with clear video evidence too as proof
it does give me plenty of hope to tinker with my 2m prime focus a little bit more i only wish you had gotten something on your 1.5m dish instead
because if that was the case i would for sure look to switch LNB's and try a feedhorn even on my 1.2M CM dish but your tests confirms that would be a waste of time .
i'll try to slightly lower my elevation on my 2m dish i know by doing that i can for sure increase 13E at least another 1-2db
i think i may be slightly high on elevation just because i wanted 7E Feeds to lock as strong as possible leaving 13E a touch too weak perhaps ?
i spend big majority of time on 7E rather than 13E just for Darts/Boxing/WWE/AEW Wrestling events etc..
when i was locking Nova on 13E they only ever had Eng Comms on highlights i guess that is still the case ?

 

[moonbase]

I'm back with more news.

I have now managed to lock another three of the Nova frequencies from the South East beam from 13.0E.
The new Nova frequencies locked are 11938H, 12130H and 12169H.

This makes it four of the five Nova frequencies now locked with a 2.0m dish at South East UK location. All four frequencies are stable with solid locks.
Some pictures are attached below from the most recent frequencies locked, plus one picture I forgot to upload yesterday from 11804V.
Signal levels in dB for all four locked frequencies are displayed in some of the screenshots.

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[moonbase]

...it does give me plenty of hope to tinker with my 2m prime focus a little bit more...

@barney115

One point to note is that I had to nudge the dish slightly off the satellite by a few clicks to get the South East beam frequencies to lock.
With the dish centred on the satellite for the Wide beam frequencies the South East beam frequencies were at a lower signal level.

By nudging the dish a few clicks off the satellite position that is stored for the Wide beam stuff, the Nova's got stronger.
I have observed this "off centre" lock before when working on extreme fringe reception, it is what prompted me to try it for these Nova's.

 

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@barney115

One point to note is that I had to nudge the dish slightly off the satellite by a few clicks to get the South East beam frequencies to lock.
With the dish centred on the satellite for the Wide beam frequencies the South East beam frequencies were at a lower signal level.

By nudging the dish a few clicks off the satellite position that is stored for the Wide beam stuff, the Nova's got stronger.
I have observed this "off centre" lock before when working on extreme fringe reception, it is what prompted me to try it for these Nova's.

Morning........looks like results with the Geant OTT 7750 4K.........if so, never compared its tuner sensitivity but seeing your 'fringe' results must be rated ok.