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As AFN is all on one tp, the old box's could theoretically be made to watch for new emm/ua keys from a specific pid thats not exspoed via a channel, i.e via one of the data channels as encrypted data. If this is the case, then the likelyhood of finding it will be very low.
 
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kebien said:
They already did deviate,nobody has seen the new updates OTA,otherwise the problems would have been solved already.
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Sorry but that just means nobody bothered to look. Of course any talk about using USB or internet is nonsense. It's 99% OTA, 1% uploading to the IRD via web interface. And this is not an opinion, it's an undeniable fact. PowerVu receivers don't have USB and are never connected to the internet - the consumer ones don't have ethernet port and the professional ones are installed at headends where it's unimaginable to let a receiver access the internet.
 
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drhans said:
Sorry but that just means nobody bothered to look. Of course any talk about using USB or internet is nonsense. It's 99% OTA, 1% uploading to the IRD via web interface. And this is not an opinion, it's an undeniable fact. PowerVu receivers don't have USB and are never connected to the internet - the consumer ones don't have ethernet port and the professional ones are installed at headends where it's unimaginable to let a receiver access the internet.
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All I can tell you is what I can read from the letter they sent out to there Customers, it said they would need to have internet or a smart phone with internet to update there receivers or they would stop working by the end of September, that had to do with Discovery CHs, that's all I know other than what's not in the data stream any more, we have many questions and no clear answers.
 
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Maybe because people aren’t looking for super_CAS_id or CA_subsystem_id? It’s not like AFN/DigitalGlue gets to trash ETSI/DVB because they feel like it.
 
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acuaroyale said:
Maybe because people aren’t looking for super_CAS_id or CA_subsystem_id? It’s not like AFN/DigitalGlue gets to trash ETSI/DVB because they feel like it.
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Many things you do not understand.
Powervu as a company does not have to follow DVB specs,it only describe their irds as DVB compliant,and they can do what they want appart from that.
DSS and Digicypher are proof that not all streams are DVB compliant,so is powervu,Tandberg and the rest.
All receivers can be made to be DVB compliant,and at the same time work differently altogether.

Beside,whatever is sent in the stream can be seen,there is no way to hide information,even when there is not descriptor for it.If a PID has information anyone can find it,but they are not doing that.
So,basically,if they ordered customers to hook up to internet,then there is only one reason for it : to update firmware that change internal keys (no,not ECM keys) and insert new unknown hashes and who knows what else.
Everybody think they have an idea about what's going on,but the truth comes only looking at the stream.

You can see those funny ECM packets,now imagine how much packetry handling has changed in new firmware in order to be able to understand there are more than one table in each packet (which is not a DVB practice,unless you show me other services past and present that has both ecm tables in one packet),then see if you can explain how to the PSI can be set for this to happen.
All this is weird and different,have not seen this before myself,after 25+ years of "looking" at the stream.
But I see the rationale of it : updating firmware out of sight,then make things change in ways not seen before.
You have to remember the CA handling has little DVB guidelines,just an outline.
Anyway,we will know more with time.
 
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iq180 said:
All I can tell you is what I can read from the letter they sent out to there Customers, it said they would need to have internet or a smart phone with internet to update there receivers or they would stop working by the end of September, that had to do with Discovery CHs, that's all I know other than what's not in the data stream any more, we have many questions and no clear answers.
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It looks as if Discovery is using its own system, not the same as AFN. :confused:
 
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[Premiere FC HD 4]

Hash Mode: 0
EMM-Key:
DB AE E0 A2 A2 B1 70
Decrypted EMM:
82 30 9B 10 99 01 0E 00 00 00 06 8F 00 54 52 7B 00 00 03 80 0C 00 00 00 3C FE 96 B1 D2 01 82 88 40 04 30 48 00 42 00 41 40 08 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 01 00 00 3C FE 96 B1 93 81 0C 14 02 80 50 C2 05 20 08 44 00 12 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 02 C0 00 48 80 06 02 10 00 60 41 04 01 40 02 84 02 08 04 80 00 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 03 00 80 22 00 12 00 02 05 00 40 10 08 10 C2 02 00 80 80 10 00 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 06 C0 FE 1B FE 52 FF 2A FF 86 6F 95 5A 1E EC AA D8 00 38 58 82 E1 54 52 7B 2B 5A 43 48 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
Keys:
P 0000 00 00003CFE96B1D2 ;
P 0000 01 00003CFE96B193 ;
Help Please.
 
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guddu09993 said:
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[Premiere FC HD 4]

Hash Mode: 0
EMM-Key:
DB AE E0 A2 A2 B1 70
Decrypted EMM:
82 30 9B 10 99 01 0E 00 00 00 06 8F 00 54 52 7B 00 00 03 80 0C 00 00 00 3C FE 96 B1 D2 01 82 88 40 04 30 48 00 42 00 41 40 08 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 01 00 00 3C FE 96 B1 93 81 0C 14 02 80 50 C2 05 20 08 44 00 12 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 02 C0 00 48 80 06 02 10 00 60 41 04 01 40 02 84 02 08 04 80 00 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 03 00 80 22 00 12 00 02 05 00 40 10 08 10 C2 02 00 80 80 10 00 1D 54 52 7B 80 0C 06 C0 FE 1B FE 52 FF 2A FF 86 6F 95 5A 1E EC AA D8 00 38 58 82 E1 54 52 7B 2B 5A 43 48 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
Keys:
P 0000 00 00003CFE96B1D2 ;
P 0000 01 00003CFE96B193 ;
Help Please.
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P 0054527B 00 xxxxxxxxxxxx ; this is EMMKey expired - that is why he gives wrong ECMkeys
 
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Turns out they didn't do any of what we are speculating.
Because we are all speculating.And all wrong.
Nothing new in stream,but not used before.
 
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De Fault said:
What particular stream did you examine?

There are many different flavours of enhanced or modified Power Vu encryption as someone already mentioned. :)
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And which ones are those?
The mistake I am making is assuming the packets are to be analyzed using the known means,turns out the handling of the packets is unknown (to me,to us,the public),but we cannot assume there are different versions or enhacements (except MTN,for the moment).
Is just how they want to use what is already available to them,but not implemented in public emulators.
 
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We need to reverse-engineer the second layer of encryption superimposed on the standard ETSI compliant DVB streaming protocol. It used to be very easy before, even a baby could do the trick :)
 
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Guys, what's that info on some sites:
"PowerVu Key Fixed Software For Sony Entertainment And AFN Network 2019"

Thanks to the engineers or Teams of starsat company to get the job done by providing the latest software which break the new software algorithm of PowerVu channels most especially Sony Entertainment Network on Asiasat 105.5, Intelsat 68.5 And AFN Network on Eutelsat 9A.
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What's its only for your lovely chinese receivers?!



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3satbox said:
Guys, what's that info on some sites:
"PowerVu Key Fixed Software For Sony Entertainment And AFN Network 2019"


What's its only for your lovely chinese receivers?!
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Yes only for this shit box :D
On IPTV servers AFN also is ok
 
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