Its Not A Dreambox, It S A Nightmare !

musicares

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many DM 500 users that they have updating in gemini 4.30

reports that after updating they get this massage ..on the box


ITS NOT A DREAMBOX, IT S A NIGHTMARE !

Bluepanel locked !!​


maybe is that a way from dream multimedia to stop the dreambox clones


becarefull people especially to all of you that you work with dreambox dm 500 clones..
 

musicares

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With the release of the GP 4.3, we have added a feature to the Blue panel to detect fake Dreambox clones. We want to show our protest against clones and replicas of Dreamboxes. It cannot be in our interest, to allow the fake boxes to hard the big dreambox community and in fact our beloved hobby.
Like some of you should know, some weeks ago a new box came to the market. It’s sold as a completely new development.
But if you check that box exactly, you will soon find out that not only the same images, software and drivers were used, but also the nearly identical hardware, such as for example in the Dreambox DM500. According to some owners of this new box, it is being shipped and sold with a preinstalled Gemini Image, which is not in our interest. Even in the manufacturers forum, Gemini images where posted with a warning “runs only on Box XYZ”.

We as a Dreambox board and Developer of the Gemini Images can’t tolerate this trend. It is not in our interest that our know-how, our knowledge of the Dreamboxes, and our time is used by a third party manufactorer to sell his copies with our software

In fact, the truth is that these manufactorers are themselves not able to provide a self developed image for their receivers.

The Blue Panel server is operated, managed and financed by private funds. Also the support we offer for the Gemini images and the genuine Dreamboxes is exploited by the fake clone developers and owners.

We can not prevent these people from using the Gemini images, but what we can do is making it as hard as possible for these people to gain money with our work. Therefore, we implemented in the images that are also running on the boxes described above a lock for the BluePanel server. The detection mechanism, whether it is a replica or a Dreambox, has been activated in the current DM500 release. Other Box types will follow. If a box is identified as a non-genuine clone of a Dreambox, the access to the BluePanel is locked.
Since this method of detection is still very new, it could unfortunately occur that even genuine boxes are identified as fakes and as a consequence the BluePanel would be locked also on original Dreamboxes. In the meantime, there are some known problems where repaired boxes can’t by recognized as genuine due to the replaced hardware parts. We will do everything the reduce the number of false identifications but nevertheless we cannot decrease the error rate to zero, as the necessary data from DMM is not available. If your Box is falsely identified as a fake box, please understand that we do this in order to maintain the Dreambox community.

We ask all users of our images to do everything possible to ensure that our hobby can live on and we will fight together against such unfair methods. We as developers want our Gemini images only to run on Dreamboxes...

The IHAD/Gemini Team



german

Mit dem Release des GP 4.3 haben wir eine Funktion eingebaut, um den Blue Panel Server für einige Boxen zu sperren. Wir wollen damit unser Zeichen gegen Klone und Nachbauten von Dreamboxen setzen. Es kann nicht in unserem Sinne sein, das durch billige Kopien die Dreambox Community nachhaltig kleiner werden würde und damit letztlich unserem Hobby geschadet werden würde.

Wie Einigen unter euch bekannt sein dürfte ist vor kurzen eine neue Box auf dem Markt aufgetaucht, die nach Angaben des Herstellers eine individuelle Eigenentwicklung ist.

Doch wenn man sich einmal genauer mit der Hardware auseinander setzt, wird man schnell merken das nicht nur die selben Images, Software und Treiber, sondern auch die nahezu identische Hardware wie sie zum Beispiel in der DM500 verbaut ist und bei dieser Box zum Einsatz kommt. Und nach Aussagen einiger Besitzer dieser neuen Box wird diese mit einem Gemini vorinstalliert ausgeliefert, das kann nicht in unserem Interesse sein. In ihrem Herstellerforum sind Gemini Images aufgetaucht mit dem Vermerk "läuft nur mit Box XYZ".

Wir als Dreamboxforum und Creater der Gemini Images können diese Entwicklung nicht gut heißen. Es kann nicht in unserem Interesse liegen, das unser Know How, unser Wissen um die Dreamboxen und unsere Zeit von einem Fremdhersteller einfach dazu benutzt wird, um mit unserer Software Kopien einer Dreambox zu verkaufen.

Vielmehr ist es so, das dieser Fremdhersteller bisher nicht in der Lage ist, ein eigen entwickeltes Image für seine Boxen anzubieten schweige den bisher selbst zu entwickeln !!

Es ist unser Blue Panel Server den wir mit unseren eigenen privaten Mitteln finanzieren, betreiben und managen. Auch den Support den wir für die Gemini Images und die original Dreamboxen hier im Forum leisten wird einfach ungefragt ausgenutzt um die Fremdboxen zu betreiben !!

Wir können nicht verhindern das das Gemini dort benutzt wird. Was wir aber können, ist diesen Leuten möglichst viele Steine in den Weg zu legen. Daher haben wir in den Images die auch auf den erwähnten Boxen laufen, eine Sperre für den Blue Panel Server eingebaut. Der Erkennungsmechanismus, ob es sich um eine Dreambox oder einen Nachbau handelt, kommt in dem aktuellen DM500 Release zu Einsatz. Weitere Boxtypen werden folgen. Als Nicht-Dreambox identifizierte Boxen können nicht mehr auf den Blue Panel Server zugreifen.

Da diese Erkennungsmethode noch sehr neu ist, kann es leider sein das in der Ein oder Anderen Box es zu einer Fehlerkennung kommt und auch auf originalen Dreamboxen der Blue Panel Server gesperrt wird. Auch sind uns mittlerweile Fälle bekannt, in denen reparierte originale Dreamboxen aufgrund der dann neueren Hardware falsch erkannt werden. Wir werden alles daran setzen die Anzahl der Fehlerkennungen zu verringern, wir können es allerdings letztlich nicht völlig ausschließen, da dazu nötige Daten von DMM nicht zu Verfügung stehen. Seht es uns bitte im Interesse einer langlebigen Dreambox Community nach, sollte eure originalen Dreamboxen fälschlicher Weise ausgesperrt werden.

Wir bitten jeden Nutzer unserer Images alles dafür zu tun, das sich unser Hobby weiterführen lässt und das wir uns gemeinsam gegen derartige Dinge wehren. Wir als Gemini Entwickler möchten unsere Images nur auf Dreamboxen laufen haben... das sei an dieser Stelle noch einmal mit Nachdruck erwähnt.

Das IHAD/Gemini Team
 

bigfoot

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Fix the BluePanel locked on GP 4.30 on DM500

I came to know that the MAC address of DM should start from 00:09:34
Otherwise, BluePanel will be locked! So to overcome from that, you should edit a file called init in /var/etc. Put MAC address in that file so that it starts from 00:09:34

#!/bin/sh
ifconfig eth0 down
ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:09:34:1E:A3:12
ifconfig eth0 up


:clapping:
 

angenet

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Hi
Thanks for the GEmini Team....I fully support you...in your decision to lock the blue panel n fake DM500... I spent 1600 euros on a couple of DM7025..and one of guy was lauphing at me with one of the fake box that cost him less than 100 euros...
Shame..
Once again I'm fully behind you
 

Rocknroll

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Hi
Thanks for the GEmini Team....I fully support you...in your decision to lock the blue panel n fake DM500... I spent 1600 euros on a couple of DM7025..and one of guy was lauphing at me with one of the fake box that cost him less than 100 euros...
Shame..
Once again I'm fully behind you

On the other hand I wonder why do clones with same hardware cost almost double the original cost.
It makes me think that dmm is making a lot of extra profit :)
 

jezekilj

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On the other hand I wonder why do clones with same hardware cost almost double the original cost.
It makes me think that dmm is making a lot of extra profit :)

No Rock

You know that the workforce is also a part of the product value

Therefore Clones are cheaper.
 

Rocknroll

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No Rock

You know that the workforce is also a part of the product value

Therefore Clones are cheaper.

But original boxes are also made in China, so it is same cost. It can only cost less due to large volumes.
 

jezekilj

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But original boxes are also made in China, so it is same cost. It can only cost less due to large volumes.


Than Germans pay more taxes :eek:)

I do not beeive that material parts are big rolle in product price when it comes to the large volumes as well.

And Germans must put money also in their own Company ,marketing sallries and so on. Multiplies by number of employees and takses in Germany plus shares and profit - material is not a big deal there.
 

predator

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dreamboxes are like any new electrical product if it is new version it costs the earth,until they reach there product sales targets then prices drop.Also there is clones in loads of different stbs, i use original and clone both work same.
 

SSHIFT

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Also take into account who developed it!!!

Developing is the most valueable in a product. The engineering is much much more valuable than pruduction of something that already developed.
 

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Well whatever you take into account I still think they are charging too much for them. Outsourcing everything and taking the cream. But I don't mind as long as they provide a good box for a price I can afford.
Not sure I'll be able afford dm8000 though, just saw a price tag of 779eur at one shop. Hope it is not correct.
I'd prefer that lyngbox would would follow dmm strategy to hire people to provide unofficial support for it. But it doesn't seem likely.
 

SSHIFT

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Every body must buy the original and this is the main point.

Engineers were hard working in developing it. Fakers try to copy it. This product is the greatest and involves so much development that only an engineer can understand.

When they copy it, they steal engineer work!!! Without engineers there is no development.
 

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Every body must buy the original and this is the main point.

Engineers were hard working in developing it. Fakers try to copy it. This product is the greatest and involves so much development that only an engineer can understand.

When they copy it, they steal engineer work!!! Without engineers there is no development.

Maybe both clones and originals were done by same engineers :)
 

wainem

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i am really surprised by your point of view dreamboxes were created to decipher satellite packages illegally by the sharing or by using hacked keys. as they do this to the others they should be fair play isn't it ?
 

predator

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if it does same job use it .Every body have choice clone or original i like to save money if possible.Uptil now i have not regretted it for many years.:D
 

jezekilj

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Well whatever you take into account I still think they are charging too much for them. Outsourcing everything and taking the cream. But I don't mind as long as they provide a good box for a price I can afford.
Not sure I'll be able afford dm8000 though, just saw a price tag of 779eur at one shop. Hope it is not correct.
I'd prefer that lyngbox would would follow dmm strategy to hire people to provide unofficial support for it. But it doesn't seem likely.


Rock why you are thinking it is too much

what about patent rights?
Mabe thay have to pay them as well?
 

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Rock why you are thinking it is too much

what about patent rights?
Mabe thay have to pay them as well?

Well I can think whatever I want but it doesn't mean it is true.
I don't know the costs they have in the process of getting them on the market.
But most people that know more then me on the subject agree that dreamboxes have pretty poor hardware.
But they have good strategy with software support so it led to high demand. Unfortunately that seem to have led to no hdmi, at least I guess that is the reason.
But have they considered dropping the price because of the inconvenience of not having hdmi, doesn't seem so.
From what I can gather Dm8000 will cost at least 200,250eur more then any other hdtv box on the market, or soon to be on the market. Is the hardware so superior to justify the price difference? I don't think so.
I just wish more companies would provide same support for their boxes, then we'd have fair competition on the market which would even out the prices.
 

PsiDOC

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Interesting comments...
The only thing I have against the clones are the poor quality components that are used. I spent 2 hours in work a few days ago replacing all the electrolytic capacitors that were balooning in a fake DM500S that a colleague bought in good faith as an original. He bought this brand new 5 months ago. The caps should in no way have heated to this extent in this amount of time. This is what I'd have expected from a 5 - 7 year old piece of equipment that had never been switched off from the mains in that time. That was both in the PSU and the STB itself.
Please if you have a clone remove the plug from the electrical wall socket when it's not in use. Then replace the PSU ASAP as it's barely up to the job and without modification it can possibly cause a fire.

Regards,

Psi
 
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