CSA3 Sample

cayoenrique

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I will like to see a recording of any variation of CSA3.

Best is to have the Full transponder recorded. But as there is limited info any data is welcome.

If you have only 1 channel encrypted well fine. But if you have the key even better.

Thanks ahead.
 

kebien

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I will like to see a recording of any variation of CSA3.

Best is to have the Full transponder recorded. But as there is limited info any data is welcome.

If you have only 1 channel encrypted well fine. But if you have the key even better.

Thanks ahead.

Where in the docs did you see there is any variation of CSA3?

Where did you see reported any service using CSA3?

How could anybody have a key for CSA3?
What are you asking? 128 bits control word? even? odd? do you know what you are asking?

Are you sure you meant CSA3? nobody has seen any of that yet.
 

cayoenrique

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@ ALL users
If you think you have a recording sample related to CISSA or CSA3 please upload or send me a PM. I know I am asking a miracle. But we never know.


@kebien
OK you already figure out I am an Idiot and Ignorant.
No I am not upset. But to be honest this is why I did not post for some time. I enter the forums read but refuse to participate. But I need help, you seems to have the info. Now that this little thing is out of your system let see if you or others can help me.

kebien said:
Where in the docs did you see there is any variation of CSA3?
DOCs… Uhhh!
It is unbelievable that to write in a post I need to pull Specs in order not to be frame. But here we go.
One can be Spec:
ETSI TS 103 127 => search for ts_103127v010101p.pdf
TECH 3292 => tech3292.pdf

Variation,
*CSA3
*CISSA
*DVB
*IPTV
*hardware-oriented scrambling algorithm
*software-oriented scrambling algorithm
*TS-level scrambling
*PES-level scrambling
*Advanced Encryption Standard (AES128)
*eXtended emulation Resistant Cipher (XRC)
*And lets not even start with the different modes. For starter just search on “Scrambling descriptor”

kebien said:
Where did you see reported any service using CSA3?
Never seen one that is why I am asking for help. If I had the sample I would not need to ask for it.
And please do not try to insinuate that you have no Idea that Pilot Test are not implemented before any Technical Reference Release.

kebien said:
How could anybody have a key for CSA3?
This is a fumy question. We seen it all the time. Where Anubis_ir get firmware releases or even had knowledge of new xml Key tables been release on T V3. Yes leaks.

kebien said:
What are you asking? 128 bits control word? even? odd? do you know what you are asking?
Obviously I did answer that in my request, What ever you have!

kebien said:
Are you sure you meant CSA3? nobody has seen any of that yet.
I know, me neither. But what is the problem in asking?

Why try to study CSA3?
Well Lieutenant commander Spock will say:

“It's the most logical thing to do. “
“When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

“ It is quite logical to...”

(cayoenrique) To think that people at Tanberg did look at CSA3. And will be logical that maybe some of its characteristics are been put into facts in T V3. For example AES128.

“Live long and prosper.” “My Friends”
 
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kebien

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Why did you make all this assumptions?
Did I say you were an idiot? NO.

Variations:
Only one is CSA3,the others are different.
CISSA is also AES128,but CSA3 us their own crypto XRC.Not seen yet either of them.
DVB is a broadcastimg method,is not an encryption variation,and is everywhere in satellite
IPTV is a an internet protocol for TV,not an encryption.Also everywhere.
And the list goes on with more of the same wrong assumptions.

ADVICE : start understanding the ACTUAL broadcasting,90% of what you need to know is there.
If you cannot understand the actual stream,how could you understand any future one?

T V3 : more wrong assumptions,nobody have said they are using CSA3 or any other,lots of speculation,and if it were,you should read how the CSA algorithm came to be public and you will understand the difficulty level of such task.
I also remind you that AES128 is a feature in many SOC chipsets of the last decade,is not new and does not specifically implies CSA3 capability.

There is a fact : not enough information to study CSA3 in any form in the way CSA was studied (and only because somebody dumped the chip of a CI module) .No matter how many times you ask or think is "logical".
This not the movies.
It took real hackers,the ones that got their hands dirty, to get us to this point,none of them were asking for leaks.
 

cayoenrique

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Ok so I am not an idiot. Sorry. But seems I am still ignorant.


In any case spec described CISSA as a simple thing to do in any of those "AES128 is a feature in many SOC chipsets". I just wonder what will be stress put on those SOCs as it is not the same to encrypt/decrypt a few lines. In comparison with a full h.264 channel.

Listen guys. kebien is or can be correct in all what he said. But I did not want to leave kebien's last comments as I have hopes some one may have some info. I am just asking, it does not hurt to ask. The worst case is that no one answer my call for help.
 

kebien

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Nor CSA3 or CISSA is a simple thing to do,and there is still to see how those 2 will be implemented,being that CSA3 is pure hardware controlled,software friendly CISSA won't be hackers friendly either.

Those SOC chips can handle AES128,but this SOC are for satellite receivers,while CISSA would be internet services (thus the "software friendly" label)so you most probably never see it in satellite (which will use CSA3).And no chance for this SOC to ever see CISSA.

This SOCS have no stress to decrypt full trasponders as they are designed to work this way,even at UHD bitrates.

And contrary to what you are thinking of me, I am helping you,in the sense that it is evident you are asking the wrong questions based in wrong assumptions.

But if I had spotted a trasponder using any of your requested schemes,I would have given it to you,even knowing you could do nothing with it.

So,somebody please help this guy
 
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