hi thanks for replys, its not the tuner, i have tryed 1 out of working box, i got 3 of the new dm800 and all 3 have dnt work, they only find 385, movies or sports, i have tryed everything, even network scans, still nothing, im running oscam and cccam in one of my dm800s at min, so will set up 1 of the broken boxes up as server, im not sure if my card is updating atm, cuz some of my entitlements run out on 15th oct and 20th oct, i hope i havin missed them, my card alway updated a month or more before they run out but not this time, it says in oscam AU on, one of my f line are like this F: user pas8111 1 0 1 { 0:0:1 } and other F: user2 pas1234 and nothing after it, this always au my card in cccam but from i changed to oscam, it doesnt look like its updating