people if you thinking of buying a new saterlite reciver make sure it has cccamm and you can do cs as soon there is no packages and all other recivers are useless ( diablo gone to sleep ,been good to us to now so cant complain but we all have to see that it the end for those recivers that dont do cs so dreambox 8000hd the only way to go or if you are very good with dm 800hd ) and heard from a friend got about 3 weeks left with 1 west then good byr good times :mecry: