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nautilus7

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That is exactly correct.
Or they are crying because they have to pay for something that is free and their support will go away the moment the sales goes down and disappear like it happened to every box not using E2.

Nautilus7
How many lines of code from oscam you think we will find in their firmware if we chose to disassemble it?? humm.....
:D:D:D

Several thousands, I guess...
 

kebien

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Off topic
I been busy playing with AES. AES been unbreakable due to 128 bit for at least 20 years. But as it is used everywhere it is good to learn.

In topic powervu
I got to ask for forgiveness as my magic hat fail in one of its predictions:

1rst Chinese box to show solution in weeks, instead just 1 week. But still many users at church preying they do not get forgotten.

Now I been surprise by oscam-emu as it show solution almost same time. I wonder if it was first??? So what this tell us...? I wonder.

That may explain why 1 week instead of weeks. As development time is cut back due to no negotiation needed between Chip-set_guru - Satellite_guru - Reverse_E_guru - Leak_guru and Chinese Management. Plus oscam-emu have many many free gurus that can offer their free time. So if we still speculate 1 Reverse_E_guru - 1 Leak_guru some how share same knowledge with both oscam and Chinese, well...

I have no inside info in oscam-emu working group so I have to speculate too. kebien last suggestion seems to show interest that oscam-emu many many free gurus may put new hats as Reverse_E_guru to reverse their firmware....

I still hope this is all a phase and will die soon with the last of old useless inventory been sold.

To all the ones watching new hash mode tv, have happy holidays.

I guess you cannot catch the sarcasm in the words.
Nobody has any interest on knowing what's into chinese boxes firmware because they ALREADY KNOW Oscam code is in there.
You have no information on anything since you only speculate and you take speculation as the truth,and is not.
Again trying to make Oscam looks like they are in need to steal information ? why would it be when is not in competence with nobody and gain nothing by doing so?
 

cayoenrique

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I agree with all kebien has said As I only expeculate. Except "...again trying to make Oscam looks like they are in need to steal information ?..."

Oscam
Never try to down grade oscam I it do a grate job for many. Plus it is open source. Oscam has nothing to do with this temporary situation. So my thanks go to all that work on that project.

Oscam-Emu patch.
Here same thing great team. My thanks to all that may submit a patch. I have never downgrade any of them nor I have try to said they are stilling information. At most you did suggest the possibility by saying:"How many lines of code from oscam you think we will find in their firmware if we chose to disassemble it?? humm....."

1.What I did said is what a coincidence that oscam did as almost same time. So I wonder.
2. It's been suggested no more over the air upgrades. On most situation leaks almost come from one single source. So I am applying leaks in terms of powervu official firmware leak.

Now my speculation
So assuming normally leaks comes from one source, then some how that leaks arrive to both oscam and the private sector. Interesting.

Again as kebien has said I know nothing in reality I am just having some fun with what is happening by speculating. At most I am pretty sure this phase will end pretty soon. Will see.
 
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Shamra

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I have two questions for experts:
1. Why did Chinese boxes support Hash Mode 15, and OSCam-Emu with Hash Mode 15 was never published?
2. Why in public access appeared OSCam-Emu, which supports immediately Hash Mode 15 and Hash Mode 16?
 

kebien

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I have two questions for experts:
1. Why did Chinese boxes support Hash Mode 15, and OSCam-Emu with Hash Mode 15 was never published?
2. Why in public access appeared OSCam-Emu, which supports immediately Hash Mode 15 and Hash Mode 16?

1-Chinese boxes only had hash mode 15 support,not any other.
The proof is providers used hash 16, 17 and 18 and took them down.
And,if you understand a bit the business,is much more financially sound to sell the fixes one by one to chinese companies,than to a full blown emulator with all possible hashes.(which by the way, would leave the providers with not many options and an unpredictable outcome)


Some people are pissed off with users in the way they approach A HOBBY !!, and demanding fixes and start calling names doesn't help to motivate the people with the information to come forward with a patch...

2-Oscam always try to be up to date as much as possible,that's the feeling of the ones that contribute,so why asking them about their timing??
Sometimes people with the information have a different idea than normal users,different motivations to release or not release information.
This hobby is all up to them,always was,users have no say on their behavior.
let's just be happy they do what they do.

cayoenrique
Not sure why you keep speculating there is a "leak".
There is no leak,the original firmware is posted,the upgrades can be downloaded and stuided,by those with the knowledge,there is no powervu leak.Is all at your reach,you just do not know what to do with it.
What if there is people that is interested in learning how it works and have the means to study and analyze the powervu updates and knows what's there?
The reason this people have is merely to KNOW how it works,the challenge,and as collateral benefit,users can enjoy the view.
Not everyone is a leech,or is looking for personal benefit,generally this people have been doing this for decades now,for all encryptions,and would not be a surprise they could get their work paid somehow.
Believe me or not,over time you start recognizing the differences between leeches and people with the knowledge.
They even would want users to be interested on how it works,like Colibri did,for example,his releases are a masterclass in itself.
But users are only interested in a quick fix.Nobody wants to learn

Let's just abandon speculation,just enjoy what's given for free.
 
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Shamra

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1-Chinese boxes only had hash mode 15 support,not any other.
The proof is providers used hash 16, 17 and 18 and took them down.
And,if you understand a bit the business,is much more financially sound to sell the fixes one by one to chinese companies,than to a full blown emulator with all possible hashes.(which by the way, would leave the providers with not many options and an unpredictable outcome) …
You just confirmed my idea, which I expressed earlier: when the Chinese are ready to pay for hacking, then everyone is happy - the Chinese, and users, and hackers. :)
 

kebien

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You just confirmed my idea, which I expressed earlier: when the Chinese are ready to pay for hacking, then everyone is happy - the Chinese, and users, and hackers. :)

That's bullshit.
Chinese are only using public information and make you pay for it,and I am sure it makes you happy....LOL
Of course someone is selling them information,and my bet is there is more information in the hands of freeware contributors than in the hands of those selling to chinese,and the moment chinese won't invest anymore,what are you gonna do?
 

Shamra

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That's bullshit.
Chinese are only using public information and make you pay for it,and I am sure it makes you happy....LOL
Of course someone is selling them information,and my bet is there is more information in the hands of freeware contributors than in the hands of those selling to chinese,and the moment chinese won't invest anymore,what are you gonna do?
You forget that Chinese boxes are not only PVu.
And for the money you pay for the Chinese box, you get quite a lot.
For information, not advertising!
Open SX1, price ~$16-18.
What do we get for this money?
1. Full HD;
2. T2-MI;
3. USB Wi-Fi/3G;
4. YouTube;
5. AFN + Sony Pictures Networks (India) + SRG;
6. Internet Radio (VTune);
7. IPTV (VOD and Apollo);
8. Free sharing for 6 months (Funcam);
9. RSS news.
When there's no way to watch AFN, I don't watch it for $18, premium box users don't watch it for more than $200.
Hope, so more understandable? :)
 

cayoenrique

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Shamra

I bet you understand, just want to have fun fighting.

But just in case you do are interest in the problem.
The $18 cost is not the problem.
The problem is to have the possibility of floating around thousands of this cheaper that a pizza receivers that are just plug & play. Easy to use that your 5 year kid can just turn it on and watch any VIP provider, such as AFN.

Why simple, This becomes a thread to the hobby. It will kill this hobby in moths if not weeks. So no TV for anyone. The question is not $18 vs $200 single purchase. But $50-$100 MONTHLY cost via official legal service. Who will pay that? Finally if provider do not get gains, no more service. All just because you and millions of people like you do not want to pay more than $18.
 

Shamra

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@cayoenrique,
AFN is not a commercial service provider. I'm saying that just in case.
If you are a fan of the official access to the view, then no one is against, buy official devices and cards and watch officially. Is there a problem?
All people are different and all have different opportunities, including financial ones. That's why there are OSCam-Emu and cheap Chinese boxes. ;-)
 

kebien

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You forget that Chinese boxes are not only PVu.
And for the money you pay for the Chinese box, you get quite a lot.

When there's no way to watch AFN, I don't watch it for $18, premium box users don't watch it for more than $200.
Hope, so more understandable? :)

Open SX1, price ~$16-18.
What do we get for this money?
1. Full HD;
2. T2-MI;
3. USB Wi-Fi/3G;
4. YouTube;..................free to public
5. AFN + Sony Pictures Networks (India) + SRG;...free with oscam
6. Internet Radio (VTune);.................free
7. IPTV (VOD and Apollo);................free
8. Free sharing for 6 months (Funcam);...........not sure what i shared,but is also free with oscam/Cccam
9. RSS news..............free
10.Emulator..................free

As I said,you pay for everything that is public and free..
 
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Shamra

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@kebien,
Instead of Open SX1 write the name of any top brand and the meaning of your message will not change. Except the price. Which will increase by 10-15 times.
I say more. All manufacturers, not only the Chinese, free use of data from the periodic table of chemical elements (copyrighted by Russian scientist D. Mendeleev) and all the laws of physics!
Let's not make this absurd. Deal? :)
 

Shamra

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What about software? Mendeleev has nothing to do with it ...
Heard of silicon? It is an element of the fourteenth group, the third period of the periodic table of chemical elements with atomic number 14.
To date, all semiconductors, including integrated circuits (processors), are made of silicon.
 

egydoctor2010

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Open SX1, price ~$16-18.
What do we get for this money?
1. Full HD;
2. T2-MI;
3. USB Wi-Fi/3G;
4. YouTube;..................free to public

6. Internet Radio (VTune);.................free
7. IPTV (VOD and Apollo);................free
8. Free sharing for 6 months (Funcam);...........not sure what i shared,but is also free with oscam/Cccam
9. RSS news..............free
10.Emulator..................free

As I said,you pay for everything that is public and free..

5. AFN + Sony Pictures Networks (India) + SRG;...free with oscam

SRG free with oscam without sharing ??????
could you explain please
 

sga

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Heard of silicon? It is an element of the fourteenth group, the third period of the periodic table of chemical elements with atomic number 14.
To date, all semiconductors, including integrated circuits (processors), are made of silicon.
I see you did not understand me. I tell you about "Thomas", and you tell me about "Eremu." Well, okay, this is over.
 
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