Lets chit-chat: Survival of encryption hacks

[dale_para_bajo]

In my personal opinion some encryption hacks deserve some sort of protection.
Low cost receivers could hurt us all at the end. So I guess some sort of protection should
be consider. let me explain. I am no expert but I like to look at the future.

Hack! Go and google a description. But had you ever heard some one claiming:

hack the way of how to get milk from the tits of a cow!
hack the correct way to put sugar in its coffee or tee!
hack how to look at the sky!

No. Why? Because to be a hack ONLY very very few can do it. If not, it is just common knowledge.

Hacks can not threaten civil society or its economics. For example Child abuse or torture is not a hack. Or electric cars can not threaten the automotive & oil industry. As soon a the negative impact shows it looses hack status and become a menace to society or economics.

So the so called Sat Testing have been consider some sort of a hack for many years. You needed knowledge, time and a modest initial inversion. But those tree elements where enough not to allow it to grow and become a menace.

This is what this $50 receivers do. They threaten the pay tv industry. Now full list are publish so no " knowledge & time" required. And the low cost gets over the "initial inversion". So it can grow uncontrolled and become a menace to society. And it will lose Hack status soon if let uncheck.

Now what is in the other hand.
I get all kind of comments. From lets help the poor and hungry in Turkey. To you are not behaving like a member of this community. Just trust me I will not share and just after this post, user is posting list all over the place. Or Satellite hack has survive and will survive.

Now the problem is not who is trustable but Internet goes two ways and manually entered keys may find it way out your receiver. That is how IPTV REAL links do find its way to underground. They are stolen from Troyan FREE IPTV Players.

So I been thinking. Maybe it is time for this satellite testers emulators of the few that really hack, to include some sort of encryption on key shared as a protection to prevent its key found to reach the $50 receivers and the mases.

I know this thread may become a war zone. But think on it, I do not see at the moment any other solution.

 

[dale_para_bajo]

@fiji I will answer you here as ew do not want to hijack k2tset thread

@ dale_para_bajo
what about said china made low cost hd receiver
can auto biss supported
search auto biss in google all kind of verity available on ebay
what is method to use decrypt biss channels ?

here is auto support biss receiver :

Image deleted so that we do not get accuse of commercialization.

auto biss supported

How do you think a low cost receiver without resources can some how magical AUTO KEY SUPPORTED ?

Yes some how all receivers gather the info via WIFI, Or more or less they all share their keys.

SOOOooo How wonderful Idea. You pay less that $50 and your receiver will stole its keys from some one else!!! Beautiful. OHHH. But That means that your keys get stolen from all other receivers too. More beautiful........ You private keys become automatically Public.

 

[kebien]

No receiver steal from another,they all connect to a central server where keys will be updated.
Your receiver is not public,it only download a key file from the server.
I know exactly why you think this way,but does not work that way.
The server keeps an updated file in their server that is sent to all receivers when there is a change.
Of course there are risks,but not in the way you are assuming.

 

[slugworth]

so if the server doesn't have the keys,the receiver just sits there.
I have see this on sports wildfeeds.
Sometimes the receiver rolls,sometimes it doesn't
My receiver is only hooked up to the net to get keys.
Once it is working I disconnect.
Most of the iptv stuff doesn't work anyway.

 

[kebien]

Correct,if the server did not update the keys your receiver won't receive a new file,but the same it already has,or if by comparing won't download anything if is the same,or the server won't have or let anything to download until there is an update.
The server generally feed itself using public keys,and the server people update the file when they see new keys posted or they just make it using bots,is not like they are searching for keys using their own tools.
How much would it cost them to keep a team doing this work,and how long they could support it when they sell the box for less than $100? who knows.

 

[dale_para_bajo]

kebien know I admire him for his correctness while he writes. He is almost 100% correct.

But you all get the general idea. The receiver is so low cost that what can you expect from the CPU capabilities.

We all agree that keys ( Biss, tanberg or powervu) can not appear magically in the receiver. Kebien accepts that such a low receiver can not have its own Support Team searching or BF its needed keys. So keys come from some place else!!!

Here is where we only disagree. I said watch out you are been fool. Kebien say, their is a possibility that they some how search net or have magical bots. In any case even if you do not agree with me I got you thinking on the problem.

 

[kebien]

There are many websites that only post feeds and channels keys.
How hard is to use a script to fetch them?
You can even do that in your dreambox with a script,so is not hard at all.

It is agreed that if the server wants to get to you,they can,just makes no sense people into selling receivers to try to hack their customers.Real hackers can get to you without the need to sell you anything.
But anything connected to the net is a risk,of course.

 

[dale_para_bajo]

I agree on the many web sites with many adds that hold old keys. I do not have doubts about that. But this receivers are offering the latest keys for Europe and Asia. Yes not many sites post American Arch witch for me it is good.

Listen this question I am proposing even affects some high end old good treademarks that we have open areas for discussion. I am not going to name any as my intention is not to put bad words on those. But what I am saying is it is already happening, By the way I never said that transfer of keys is p2p (peer to peer) sure there most be some server some where.

Here is the main point. In the GOLD AGE of so call FTA, in general the people of the world had money to spent. Lets imaging a fake esenario. Please do not start acusing me as I never did sell anything. But it easy to understand. South-Central America many countries big population. 1 big Spanish Sat operator. So a few companies AZblabla did sell receivers for about $150 US. Lets say they had $50 USD profit per receiver. 20 countries about 10,000 units per country. 20x10,000x50=$10,000,0000 So they have money to support a underground team.

Now lets see what is happening different. Word in general is broke, less money. That is the reason for the low cost receiver too. But in the economics. A receiver that is sold for $37 what could be the gain on them. So of the gain what do we think they can invest in a underground support Team. BUTTTT wait not for 1 operator. But instead a Team that support not 1 company but instead the whole word of operators around the world. It is crazy. So it easy to figure out something must be wrong. That is my point.