Digi_tv tested new scrambl.system nagra4???
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found this posted elsewhere and dont know if it's fact or fiction.
is the info and questions in this thread beyond rumor make your own mind up
THE FUTURE
I hope that someone here can answer all or some of these questions with informed and reliable information (I fully understand that reliable information is a relative term and that in dealing with this hobby any and all info is
NAGRAVISION 3 or 4
Apparently both DN and BEV are committed to switching over to a new encryption technology referred to as Nagravision 3 or 4.
Info in one thread indicated that the current Nagravision encryption was cracked by a European Group and it took over a years work before they were successful and that this group or groups referred to as the ROM Groups in one post have the skills to do this and that the coders currently providing the working bins will be unable to accomplish anything until Nag 3/4 has been compromised.
If history repeats itself it could require many months or longer to crack this new encryption method and that most likely those who utilize these 3rd party files in order to view DN or BEV will be unable to do so and their viewing will be limited to true FTA signals, perhaps for months or longer until the new Nag 3/4 encryption is cracked.
Q1. Is this correct interpretation of what to expect in the near future?
Q2. Does anyone have any reasonably accurate info that could further enlighten us about these upcoming events?
Apparently Bev is nearing completion on it's card swap and providing subs with it's new so called smart card. Also from my understanding Bev will switch over to the new encryption method referred to Nagravision 3 or 4.
Q3. Is the card swap and the introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption technology two separate security measures on Bev's part or is the new card simply a requirement in order for the subs to unscramble the Nag 3/4 encryption technology? Info in various threads indicate that DN will also be switching over to the new encryption method provided by Nagravision 3/4 by the end of this year.
Q4. Is DN is in the process of doing a card swap for their subs also or are they able to utilize the Nagravision 3/4 encryption technology without the necessity of a card swap?
FULL EMULATION
On July 10th Neosat V2 team indicated that with the release of v 2.95 they had achieved a FULL EMULATION (Cardless along with IKS fixes).
"this is NOT a patch, this is FULL EMU. 99% guarantee Neosat will stay up until a card swap. and if it ever goes down, it will be fixed within 30 minutes max."
I'm under the impression that FULL EMULATION means that utilizing the FULL EMULATION bins the systems work the same as an actual subscribers would. Yet he specifically indicated that the system would work until a card swap - indicating that with the card swap and/or introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption they also would have to start from scratch and wait for the Nag 3/4 to be cracked.
Q5. A full emulation will also go down until the Nag 3/4 technology is cracked, is this correct? My understanding of the workings of IKS and HIKS are minimal. Like most here my primary concern is will they continue to deliver. Currently Neosat has both IKS (v3.15 - server 1) & HIKS (v10.06 - server 2) available.
Q6. Will the iPros continue to receive DN & BEV when connected to the IKS or HIKS systems after the activation of the NAG 3/4 encryption technology and Card Swaps or will the v2 team also be dependant on the cracking of the NAG 3/4 encryption method in order to keep the iPros connected to the IKS/HIKS systems working?
Q7. If the new card swap is a seperate security technology and not just a method of unscrambling the new NAG 3/4 encryption technology, will this prevent IKS/HIKS systems from delivering a usuable signal.
Q8. What of the other receivers using IKS such as nfusion - is it expected that they will continue working or are their IKS systems dependant on a crack of Nag 3/4 ?
Q9. Lastly is their any difference with the receivers not originally marketed with a build in IKS connection and now utilizing internet adapters or so called Dongle's to connect to IKS systems - as far as expectations after the implementation of Nag 3/4?
I certainly understand that their are no guarantees when it comes to pursueing the fta hobby. However answers to the above questions are quite important to those of us who may be considering expenditures for additional hardware or upgrades
is the info and questions in this thread beyond rumor make your own mind up
THE FUTURE
I hope that someone here can answer all or some of these questions with informed and reliable information (I fully understand that reliable information is a relative term and that in dealing with this hobby any and all info is
NAGRAVISION 3 or 4
Apparently both DN and BEV are committed to switching over to a new encryption technology referred to as Nagravision 3 or 4.
Info in one thread indicated that the current Nagravision encryption was cracked by a European Group and it took over a years work before they were successful and that this group or groups referred to as the ROM Groups in one post have the skills to do this and that the coders currently providing the working bins will be unable to accomplish anything until Nag 3/4 has been compromised.
If history repeats itself it could require many months or longer to crack this new encryption method and that most likely those who utilize these 3rd party files in order to view DN or BEV will be unable to do so and their viewing will be limited to true FTA signals, perhaps for months or longer until the new Nag 3/4 encryption is cracked.
Q1. Is this correct interpretation of what to expect in the near future?
Q2. Does anyone have any reasonably accurate info that could further enlighten us about these upcoming events?
Apparently Bev is nearing completion on it's card swap and providing subs with it's new so called smart card. Also from my understanding Bev will switch over to the new encryption method referred to Nagravision 3 or 4.
Q3. Is the card swap and the introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption technology two separate security measures on Bev's part or is the new card simply a requirement in order for the subs to unscramble the Nag 3/4 encryption technology? Info in various threads indicate that DN will also be switching over to the new encryption method provided by Nagravision 3/4 by the end of this year.
Q4. Is DN is in the process of doing a card swap for their subs also or are they able to utilize the Nagravision 3/4 encryption technology without the necessity of a card swap?
FULL EMULATION
On July 10th Neosat V2 team indicated that with the release of v 2.95 they had achieved a FULL EMULATION (Cardless along with IKS fixes).
"this is NOT a patch, this is FULL EMU. 99% guarantee Neosat will stay up until a card swap. and if it ever goes down, it will be fixed within 30 minutes max."
I'm under the impression that FULL EMULATION means that utilizing the FULL EMULATION bins the systems work the same as an actual subscribers would. Yet he specifically indicated that the system would work until a card swap - indicating that with the card swap and/or introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption they also would have to start from scratch and wait for the Nag 3/4 to be cracked.
Q5. A full emulation will also go down until the Nag 3/4 technology is cracked, is this correct? My understanding of the workings of IKS and HIKS are minimal. Like most here my primary concern is will they continue to deliver. Currently Neosat has both IKS (v3.15 - server 1) & HIKS (v10.06 - server 2) available.
Q6. Will the iPros continue to receive DN & BEV when connected to the IKS or HIKS systems after the activation of the NAG 3/4 encryption technology and Card Swaps or will the v2 team also be dependant on the cracking of the NAG 3/4 encryption method in order to keep the iPros connected to the IKS/HIKS systems working?
Q7. If the new card swap is a seperate security technology and not just a method of unscrambling the new NAG 3/4 encryption technology, will this prevent IKS/HIKS systems from delivering a usuable signal.
Q8. What of the other receivers using IKS such as nfusion - is it expected that they will continue working or are their IKS systems dependant on a crack of Nag 3/4 ?
Q9. Lastly is their any difference with the receivers not originally marketed with a build in IKS connection and now utilizing internet adapters or so called Dongle's to connect to IKS systems - as far as expectations after the implementation of Nag 3/4?
I certainly understand that their are no guarantees when it comes to pursueing the fta hobby. However answers to the above questions are quite important to those of us who may be considering expenditures for additional hardware or upgrades
16DE 0000 0000 000000 1801 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) -ECM: 2*184 B/s - nagra2
16DF 0000 0000 000000 1802 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) -ECM: 130*184 B/s -nagra3
16E0 0000 0000 0000EB 1880 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) -ECM: 11*184 B/s -nagra???......
[27.7.2009 19:00:38] dvbviewer4.0.0.0
igiFilm 1 - NAGRA->lastECM: 81 30 47 07 45 21 11 96 00 08 C3 4B A7 F4 43 C1 40 70 43 C6 08 29 5A BE FB CA C1 2E E2 14 EA 26 8C 22 94 A0 80 D1 67 3A 34 1A 91 26 DC 70 EB E9 A0 C6 57 9D 74 3A 01 CE 53 73 CC D2 33 FC 79 AB 0C FA 6F F9 14 64 81 7E 57 87
16DF 0000 0000 000000 1802 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) -ECM: 130*184 B/s -nagra3
16E0 0000 0000 0000EB 1880 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) -ECM: 11*184 B/s -nagra???......
[27.7.2009 19:00:38] dvbviewer4.0.0.0
igiFilm 1 - NAGRA->lastECM: 81 30 47 07 45 21 11 96 00 08 C3 4B A7 F4 43 C1 40 70 43 C6 08 29 5A BE FB CA C1 2E E2 14 EA 26 8C 22 94 A0 80 D1 67 3A 34 1A 91 26 DC 70 EB E9 A0 C6 57 9D 74 3A 01 CE 53 73 CC D2 33 FC 79 AB 0C FA 6F F9 14 64 81 7E 57 87
16DE 0000 0000 002111 1801 Nagra Digital (Kudelski SA) DigiTV ECM: 10*184 B/s
[27.7.2009 20:11:06] dvbviewer4.0.0.0igiFilm 1 - NAGRA2-****XXX_ECM: 80 30 86 07 84 00 D6 3A 94 0D 8A 22 8A 1E 2D 37 28 0E 6D 04 9F C0 B4 64 3A 2F 34 74 4F CF 59 26 00 05 0A 97 D9 D6 87 62 7B B6 EE 38 D5 68 2D 71 6A D3 33 27 77 F4 CD 41 9A AD 50 B7 AD 53 F2 FF C3 1F 68 9E ED 65 ED 4C 15 72 07 6A E7 3F 45 BC 2D DC 66 A6 E0 56 96 B5 E5 53 A1 26 7A 13 B3 ED 17 CC D5 1B 43 5B C7 79 03 00 D2 A6 8E 64 F2 6D 14 8F C0 76 26 91 1A 44 8B A3 14 70 B5 5F C0 03 25 7C E7 3C E5 ED 3F BC 4C
All OK
[27.7.2009 20:11:06] dvbviewer4.0.0.0
igiFilm 1 - NAGRA2-****XXX_ECM: 80 30 86 07 84 00 D6 3A 94 0D 8A 22 8A 1E 2D 37 28 0E 6D 04 9F C0 B4 64 3A 2F 34 74 4F CF 59 26 00 05 0A 97 D9 D6 87 62 7B B6 EE 38 D5 68 2D 71 6A D3 33 27 77 F4 CD 41 9A AD 50 B7 AD 53 F2 FF C3 1F 68 9E ED 65 ED 4C 15 72 07 6A E7 3F 45 BC 2D DC 66 A6 E0 56 96 B5 E5 53 A1 26 7A 13 B3 ED 17 CC D5 1B 43 5B C7 79 03 00 D2 A6 8E 64 F2 6D 14 8F C0 76 26 91 1A 44 8B A3 14 70 B5 5F C0 03 25 7C E7 3C E5 ED 3F BC 4CAll OK
I called right now a friend of mine who has a legal DigiTV RO subscription and he confirmed that he has not got any official information from DigiTV so far about a future card change. So in my opinion this will not happen any more this year.
Furthermore I read that DigiTV experience big financial problems atm mainly due to the big competition by Focussat, Akta, Boom ... which do not allow DigiTV to realise a global card change for all their subscribers. Probably Nagra2 and Nagra3 will run simultaneously for a longer time.
Let's hope we can enjoy DigiTV still for a while. :nana:
cheers
