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dale_para_bajo

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Some Crypto8 questions I have not found answer on my search here:

I will try to be simple.

I see there are 3 main tables:

08hx00h 99.2% linklist_08hx00h.txt
08hxFFh 99.3% linklist_08hxFFh.txt
08hx000300h 97.9% linklist_08hx000300h.txt
On each file there are about 100 links of about 4GB.
Lots of data. In general I think I saw some tittles talking about various Terabyte of download ready.

Now
*Can some body guess an approximation of How long did a 4gb file took to generate and with with type of device, like ho many cuda cores. It is just to understand the concept of Downloading vs Creating tables.

*This three same tables are shown in 3 flavors. I know seen many post where they claim this has the highest Success rate! So. the are they suggesting that is is better to use V1.3 instead of V2?

*I now CUDA is the King of all GPU. Understood. But Have any one of you see a project or any info on a CSA-Rainbow-Tool for AMD?


Thanks ahead.
 

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it's been 7 months since the project was STOPPED.:eek:

first you have to know how many types of chains

A0hx00h ==> rarely used not important and used in A0h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-2 vpids and mpeg apids }
A0hxFFh ==> rarely used not important and used in A0h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-4 vpids }
B8hx00h ==> mostly used in B8h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-2 vpids and mpeg apids } important plain table type and daily used
B8hxFFh ==> mostly used in B8h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-4 vpids } important plain table type and daily used
B8hx030000h ==> mostly used in B8h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-4 vpids that has 3 high reading counts } important plain table type and daily used
08hx00h ==> used once in a while with 08h-Crypt8 pid stream type { should be in mpeg-2 vpids and mpeg apids }
08hxFFh ==> used once in a while with 08h-Crypt8 pid stream type { should be in mpeg-4 vpids }
08hx000300h ==> used once in a while with 08h-Crypt8 pid stream type { mpeg-4 vpids that has 3 high reading counts }

now back to your question

this project was stopped by Colibri since 25.11.2015, so don't waste your time creating new 08hx00h, 08hxFFh and 08hx000300h chains with V2 tool because they will not be approved and not existed in the ChainAuthor.map file that uploaded in V2 tool and the last release updated of ChainAuthor.map was V415 in 25.09.2015 therefore you can't convert them to V1.

these chains are for V1 but they were created with V2 tool as *. rbc4 files because of the speed in creating then converting them to normal *.rbc that match with V1, so only download from the site of Clobiri here http://colibri.bplaced.net/csa_rainbow_table.htm
also you can't create chains B8hx00h, B8hxFFh, B8hx030000h

see the publisher warning
25_11_2015.jpg


But you can still create new V1 chains :thum:

with the last V1 of CSA Rainbow Table Tool V1.23 you can only create chains B8hx00h.

But with the old versions up to CSA Rainbow Table Tool V1.19f you can still create new and merge these chains ;) { A0hx00h,A0hxFFh,B8hx00h, B8hxFFh, B8hx030000h,08hx00h and 08hxFFh }

I have GTX 680 each 1 chain consumed 1 day 13 hours :( to create one *.rbc file

and the fastest graphic card in creating *.rbc for V1 is the GTX 580 { 1 chain = 1day }

I guess now it's all clear for you
 
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dale_para_bajo,


Posted above by "MaRwAn26" good advice. For newbie I recommend:

1. Download v1 B8hx tables, they highest success rate and smaller in size, less download bandwidth, v1 B8hx00h and v1 B8hxFFh tables to download first. These tables give good scope, cover many feeds.

2. Buy second user GTX580 graphics card if want create new chains to add to tables

3. Use v1.19f Rainbow tool
 
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friend'm having great difficulty in finding the c8 file. I use the card tbs 5925 usb. for record. I get to record the times of 20 minutes and can not find the file. do you have a program to help or is missing something here on my pc?
which card you use to record? is pci or usb?
 

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1rst thank you guys for explanation. I am still confuse, not because of you. I had said many times I am slow learning. But I get there with time.

Now as I always said, 1rts read, then help others. Last worry about your needs.

friend'm having great difficulty in finding the c8 file. I use the card tbs 5925 usb. for record. I get to record the times of 20 minutes and can not find the file. do you have a program to help or is missing something here on my pc?
which card you use to record? is pci or usb?

I understood, you have problems finding you crypt8 using USB PCSAT Card.

Listen I use dbvdream 2.8.1 repack by Takki & AHMAD. My thanks to them. You can download them in the forrum in the PCSAT area.

I used this ones as it comes preloaded with many modules. The one needed is TSWriter2.

1) So 1rst you tune to a STRONG channel in a transponder. A point here is that even you tune for 1 channel TSWriter2 will record the FULL transponder. Yes all the channels and stuff.

2) Then go to Menu>Module>TSwriter2. Browse and keep record of the name and where the file will be save. The record a 2o second Test. Stop. Go and look for the file.

3) Now the problem is that You had recorded the whole transponder and not just 1 channel. You need to keep this in mind.

4) Now use CSA RBT to get your crypt8. In that 20 seconds you should be able to get at least 1 crypt8 per channel. If not try more time.

Now I have no Idea what is the suggested time and how many crypt8 should be posted by channel. Ask others for that.

So you end up with the solution for many Channels. Now Channels are Identify by Video PID. Find the Video Pid for the channel you need. You can use dvbdream. Step over channel name, do right click and Properties. There in the left side you will see VPID and its number.

Now you can grab ONLY the crypt8 produce for that PID. And post that info in the crypt8 thread. Hope it helps.
 

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@MaRwAn26

GTX 680 1 chain consumed 1 day 13 hours
GTX 580 1 chain consumed 1 day

So now what is 1 chain?

This is my best guess:

If I look in linklist 08hx00h.txt I see :
"On each file there are about 100 links of about 4GB."

Is each of this 100 links what you call a "chain"?

If that is correct the answer is
(1 day per chain) x (100chains) = 100 days at best for 08hx00h.txt

Please confirm or correct me. Thanks ahead.
 

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@tarcito
I am confused with you. You claim need help but at same time posting request for crypt8! What is the truth?

@MaRwAn26

now you said
"x030000h ==> **** has 3 high reading counts ***"

When I try to see sample in Thread I see this:
Using payload size: 184
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:86 F5 45 50 D7 94 79 46 [E] Count:235
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:CE B0 A3 14 FD 1D D7 F8 [E] Count:235 <= B8hx030000h
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:53 43 D3 E8 9F C6 7A D1 [E] Count:231
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8E 0D 27 56 82 4C 28 DD [E] Count:2
Reply With Quote

I am confuse is "235" a "3 high reading counts"?
 

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a chain is a file created by the CSA Rainbow Table Tool
in V1 is *.rbc
in V2 is *.rbc4 to be converted to V1
also other chains created by V2 is *.rbc2 and *.rbc3 ===> these are only used in V2.

V2
each chain file of *.rbc4 size = 402mb ===> then converted by V2 tool to *.rbc to be used in V1 BUT the project was STOPPED since 25.09.2015.only old files that confirmed in the ChainAuthor.map and uploaded by colibri himself can be converted to V1 as I described in my previous post.
the speed in my graphic card {GTX 680} is 513365 KCW/sec shows on V2 CSA Rainbow Table Tool
1 chain *.rbc4 takes 2:40 min to be completed

V1
each chain file of *.rbc size = 805mb
the speed in my graphic card {GTX 680} is 34735 KCW/sec shows on V1 CSA Rainbow Table Tool
1 chain *.rbc takes 1 day 13 hours to be completed

about the counts reading
when I said 3 that means 3 lines of Crypt8 NOT no 3 should be appear
also each recording does show different no of counts it's not 235 and your third counts by the way is 231 but your fourth is 2 this means your record has 3 crypt8 that has high reading counts and far from your 4th crypt8

some of good records if you are lucky the V1 CSA Rainbow Table Tool helps us and mention the right Crypt8 that we need to search in and find it like the way you did <= B8hx030000h

Note:
Crypt8 for B8hx030000h only could be found with V1 tool NOT V2 tool

finally Why do you want to create V1 and V2 chains and they are ready and uploaded to be downloaded for free ? :confused:
because infact this project was made for a community to be done and collecting all the chains from different members NOT one person could make all these chains.

I hope this time I made it clear to understand
 
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You also must consider that merging the chains into the table takes a considerable time,considering you are merging hundreds of chains,and the bigger the table (rbt),the longer it takes.

Also,the success rate increase after 90% might take the table to double its size just to gain couple points.
 

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Yeah the merging is not done well.

And just to avoid any misunderstanding:
One V2 table takes less time than V1, but also finds less CWs (at the same size).
 

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Well I kind of understood

B8hx030000h
The data I show some one else posted in crypt search thread. It is not mine so I have no Idea what the guy did or mean by pointing to the second or if in fact has something to do with 3.
I read your explanation. Thanks. But I do not see the relevance of this repeated "3 lines of Crypt8" thing. Then to use a difference table. A table composed of what? 0x00 & 0xFF where use in the other 2 tables.

***
finally Why do you want to create V1 and V2 chains and they are ready and uploaded to be downloaded for free ? :confused:
because infact this project was made for a community to be done and collecting all the chains from different members NOT one person could make all these chains.

I hope this time I made it clear to understand

MaRwAn26 you are right. All In The Box Thinkers, Should Allways follow the Rulles and "Stay withing the lines". I know you are correct. I have no trouble also with comunity effort. That is nice.

But I am an "Out the Box Thinker" So 1rst Rule is Question Everything.

Now the truth is I do not have a Cuda Card nor I have the Internet Bandwidth to download such amount of tables. Remember I am out of money. So the Community Tool is in fact out of my reach.
Now, Second Rule dictates I have to Undertand The Problem. I guess this is what we doing here.

I hope it does that makes sense to you now.

To all in the forum. In general I want you to consider me as a friend as I do know I can do the same for you. Lets keep this level of communication. I am thankful of this info.
 

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@dale_para_bajo

Go to the colibri website posted by MaRwAn26 and download the 2 pdf files (one is in German). There is a lot of good information in them.
 

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I know. I did. But what I ask previously is answered by experience in creating those.

I did spent many hours in the german. My google translation is really bad.

But after many hours I figure out I was wasting my time as that describe a special case where all pids are tunneled thru one special encrypted pid!. This is not the real case!. So instead of help me took me off track for many days.

At this point I have a better understanding of the problem. MaRwAn26 explanations has been very useful. I still lost in what B8hx030000h do, or it is used or what ever.
 

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0000 = look in this table to find encrypted 0000 CW
FFFF = look in this table to find encrypted FFFF CW
030000 =same thing,look into this table to find 030000 CW

each table is used to find an encrypted sequence of 00,FF or 03.
Packets use different patterns of equal bytes.
Table B8h030000h is used to find the CW that decrypts this value
 

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The English pdf states that the v2 table has a fixed size of 1280GB and can be split to smaller files to fit on multiple SSDs. Colibri chose to split it to 11 x 107GB + 1 x 103GB files, which became the standard. Still, the full 1080GB table is needed by the program. The 4GB size is irrelevant and probably selected because of upload size limitations.
 

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4GB is on V1 tables. And I can understand that some may be bigger some smaller. But used that number as to have an Idea of the dimensions of the data.

I have not find any reference to a 030000 search.

Now I understand that in the case of BISS witch CW is always the same then CSA-Rainbow-Table-Tool will find 00 or FF and in third the 03***.

But when used with a none constant CW CAS, I will expect various crypt8 finds. So the 3rd does not have to be of class 030000! Or I am wrong?

But
 

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You don;t understand that part

They do not use 00 and FF and 030000 in the same transmission.
Is always one or another.
What he meant was that sometimes,the first or second crypt8 found might not be the correct one,and the third could be.

The fact it finds a 030000 crypt8 in third place is irrelevant,can be first,second or else.
But the good thing is that label help you to chose the right lookup table.
 

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I may have misunderstood MaRwAn26 explanation. So lets start one more time.

00 ===> mpeg
FF ===> h.264

and 030000 (has nothing to do with 3rd position of any kind)

But then for what type it is used?
 

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I think I made you confused when I said 3 lines instead saying 1st crypt8, 2nd crypt8 and 3rd crypt8

I was just awake when I made that reply lol so sorry for the wrong word I put.

I always try to make my description as easy and clear when I know something and trying to describe to anyone.

here what I really ment when I said 3 lines of crypt8

here for example we have 3 Crypt8 with high Counts
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:86 F5 45 50 D7 94 79 46 [E] Count:235
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:CE B0 A3 14 FD 1D D7 F8 [E] Count:235 <= B8hx030000h
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:53 43 D3 E8 9F C6 7A D1 [E] Count:231
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8E 0D 27 56 82 4C 28 DD [E] Count:2

and when I said 3 lines I ment these
line 1 = 1st crypt8 :D
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:86 F5 45 50 D7 94 79 46 [E] Count:235
line 2 = 2nd crypt8 :D
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:CE B0 A3 14 FD 1D D7 F8 [E] Count:235 <= B8hx030000h
line 3 = 3rd crypt8 :D
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:53 43 D3 E8 9F C6 7A D1 [E] Count:231

now back to our descussion

the CSA Rainbow Table Tool is NOT always telling that the B8hx030000h crypt8 location is in the 2nd crypt8, like as you posted earlier.

sometimes the CSA Rainbow Table Tool does tell us where is the B8hx030000h crypt8 location, it might be in the 1st crypt8 and sometimes in the 2nd crypt8 and sometimes in the 3rd crypt8

watch here :cool:

10°E

11414 V 7500

tagged as "COR-ALA HD 50"

maybe Cordoba vs Alaves segunda division match

Using all PIDs
Using file limit: 4096 MByte
File length: 110 MByte
UsingFileLen: 115410944 bytes
Reading file ...
Searching ...
Using payload size: 184
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:63 5E FD 2B 80 B9 F0 66 [E] Count:325 <= B8hx030000h
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:48 5B F4 C7 1F 73 C7 37 [E] Count:323
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:77 3F FF AD 62 40 F3 E2 [E] Count:322
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:03 47 62 6A 1B 60 62 16 [E] Count:8
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:26 1A 9A F5 C9 7E FD 21 [E] Count:5
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:02 FD 18 EA 27 6F D7 ED [E] Count:3
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:83 64 B5 02 37 C7 6B B0 [E] Count:3
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:C7 1A C1 48 BA 8D 30 C7 [E] Count:3

Eutelsat 7A (7.0°E)
Frequency: 10997 - Pol: H - SR: 9874 - FEC: NC
Category: Sport - Football
Transmitted in: MPEG-4 crypté
Comments: FC Porto - CD Nacional

PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:61 D0 EC C2 00 B5 38 3B [E] Count:29
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:6F D0 B6 50 70 F0 78 E1 [E] Count:29 <= B8hx030000h
PID: 200h B8h-Crypt8:BC 01 06 13 1F 4F 53 E7 [E] Count:29

100.5
LA_LIGA_HD50_4151_H_15000_20160425_0622_VPID_101.ts
Using all PIDs
Using file limit: 4096 MByte
File length: 1510 MByte
UsingFileLen: 1584181248 bytes
Reading file ...
Searching ...
Using payload size: 184
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:05 D1 A8 69 C6 EE 2B 4E [E] Count:190
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:28 B7 45 85 84 9E 74 C1 [E] Count:188
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:93 19 F8 7A 9F 61 E4 D8 [E] Count:185 <= B8hx030000h
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:21 A6 F6 54 AF 71 82 2D [E] Count:2

Time for searching Crypt8 = 29 sec.

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and many times the the CSA Rainbow Table Tool doesn't mention the B8hx030000h crypt8 in which crypt8 {1st, 2nd or 3rd}

like here :clapping:

7east
11021 H 9874
Serbia-Puerto Rico basketball
Mpeg4
video pids

PID: 200h Crypt8:34 D2 C3 88 4A 1F 3B B9 [E] Count:3297
PID: 200h Crypt8:02 6E B8 6E A6 FF E2 7D [E] Count:3274
PID: 200h Crypt8:CD 28 71 AE 28 44 00 D4 [E] Count:3257

PID: 200h Crypt8:8E 35 A8 94 EC FD AE D2 [E] Count:24
PID: 200h Crypt8:3A 9F 01 D9 E4 6F 06 C8 [E] Count:23
PID: 200h Crypt8:A3 7C A6 9A EC CE EE 78 [E] Count:12

and after I did search in the 3 crypt8 I found the CW matching with this B8hx030000h Crypt8 which was the 3rd one :cool:
PID: 200h Crypt8:CD 28 71 AE 28 44 00 D4 #CW:FA XX XX XX XX XX XX 0A

*****

Also here the CSA Rainbow Table Tool didn't tell us which is the right B8hx030000h Crypt8 :clapping:

SPAIN FOOTBALL
ASIASAT 5
4170 H 15000

PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:27 96 1D 42 F7 1A 1D 7C [E] Count:123
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:C9 C3 69 3C 37 8E 26 39 [E] Count:122
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:FD 4E 10 39 53 1F 48 F4 [E] Count:120

and after I did search in the 3 crypt8 I found the CW matching with this B8hx030000h Crypt8 which was the 2nd one :cool:
PID: 65h B8h-Crypt8:C9 C3 69 3C 37 8E 26 39 #CW:BA XX XX XX XX XX XX E9

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what I mean when the tool doesn't tell us the right crypt8 then we just have only one choice which we search in the 3 crypt8 ==> { 1st crypt8 and 2nd crypt8 and 3rd crypt8 } until we find the CW if we are lucky

Hope I answered your questions clearly
 
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OhhhBoyyy. Now I feel s7upid. I was questioning this because I do not understand the use for type B8hx030000h. That still. Sorry I see no reference any else about this special situation. I guess we could try to understand the source code.

Now I feel s7upid because I though the user wrote " <= B8hx030000h" But as you are saying is the Tool writing this as part of the output. So for most part is well define except for the occasional sample you gave us where is not printed.
 
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