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Recording .TS files for known BISS feeds and running files for crypt 8 cant be found. I have tried recording in both EBS Pro and TS Reader. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong but over the past 6 months, I went from getting crypt 8's to none when running the file through CSA Rainbow.

What Alternative methods are there to finding crypt 8's? When Running through version 1 I check all payload sizes, but version 2 doesn't have that option. When I run crypt8 the green bar goes across then nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I should add that I'm recording files for at least 2 min, and the majority of the time the file sizes are 1gb.
 
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You have the same problem that I can't solve now. ENC-1 (MX1), ctypt8 like this can hardly be found. I tried to record TS files for 30 minutes, but I still got nothing. I don't know how others get it. It's better to have a course to learn.
 
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bh62549 said:
You have the same problem that I can't solve now. ENC-1 (MX1), ctypt8 like this can hardly be found. I tried to record TS files for 30 minutes, but I still got nothing. I don't know how others get it. It's better to have a course to learn.
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normal, some TP record 1hour can't find C8 also
 
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Martin.Wigston said:
BISS AU boxes do, the Vuelta feed is one in question, no valid C8 but BISS AU still gets it anyway.
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100.5C, 4174H7200, ID: ktsat mp4 enc1. I tried to record TS for 20 minutes but I still couldn't find C8, but others had already found CW. I'm really curious about my mistake.I admire him very much. The point is that no one can share the way, only others can depend on him.：吞：

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Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )
11162 V 7200
DVB-S2 - 4:2:0 - 8PSK
ID: ktsat mp4 enc1
Event: Hyundai 4 Tournament, CZE v. LTU
OLD CW: A8 24 17 E3 52 18 30 9A
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The key on that ktsat basketball feed hasn't changed since the tournament started - it's an old key which has previously been used on Korean football back in July too. Whilst waiting for a candidate crypt8, you should try brute force against a list of old keys. That can give the key very quickly.

There are many different encoders in use - not all give out a crypt8 readily, some not at all (and by design eg with padding bytes transmitted unencrypted like the current Vuelta feed). You might have to wait until such time as the video includes some static graphics, eg test card or graphical event info, rather than live video. If you missed an opening test card you might only get C8s when the feed goes down, showing a final test card or black screen. In such case, add the key to your knowns.txt... it might be used again.
 
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Martin.Wigston said:
BISS AU boxes do, the Vuelta feed is one in question, no valid C8 but BISS AU still gets it anyway.
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BISS AU boxes do. Do what?
Find CW's without valid C8.
Don't think so.
Somebody on the "other" side founds a CW of a specific feed ( through a valid C8 ) and send it to the box server.
AGREE ?
OkK :)
Vuelta feeds , just like Turkish feeds or plenty of others, sends data, to gave a valid ( good ) C8 in well known time frame. Hope you know when perfect timing is. I do.:)
 
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vakula, this is what I see on 7.0E 12736V 7200 ENC-4 (MX1) right now. This is similar to the current Vuelta feed, and some of the Turkish feeds (amongst others).
It's BISS encrypted, but the padding is sent unencrypted:
Code: 
[C8Finder] 2019-08-27 17:35:44 s_ref 1:0:1:1:1:FFFF:46B1C0:0:0:0:

[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF [ ] 492689 <= B8hxFFh
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 55 1C 4F 19 C2 60 A5 9F [X] 51
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 12 7A 75 5E 75 EB 31 6C [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] D3 77 5B BF 84 FF BB D1 [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 36 1D F2 7E 31 00 F5 7E [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] C2 49 88 27 AA A7 39 39 [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 0A DB 05 15 59 52 BA 3B [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 97 02 45 4D C0 FD 7C B5 [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 76 0A 5B 62 7A 47 28 F9 [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 64 33 14 D5 2E 71 98 1F [X] 33
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] B6 8D CB 20 EA 7F A8 BA [X] 30
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 49 08 9C 6D 6D F9 AB 3C [X] 30
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 25 C0 EB AD 08 E6 07 BA [X] 30
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] CC 39 B0 A5 FA 3E DE 56 [X] 30
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 11 98 AC 8F 0F 55 A3 5E [X] 30
[C8Finder] B8h Vpid:080C [E] 47 6A 99 22 B5 59 A5 BD [X] 30

[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [ ] 932 <= B8hx00h
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [ ] 932 <= B8hx00h
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] C3 CF 9A C1 D3 9B B4 AC [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] C3 CF 9A C1 D3 9B B4 AC [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] 01 19 48 BE 72 60 E4 03 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] 01 19 48 BE 72 60 E4 03 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] 6C 36 5E 5F F6 F9 56 43 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] 6C 36 5E 5F F6 F9 56 43 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] 58 FA 02 E3 04 31 02 17 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] 58 FA 02 E3 04 31 02 17 [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] B8 81 79 35 83 24 93 0A [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] B8 81 79 35 83 24 93 0A [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] 16 A7 E6 51 8A F5 8D DE [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] 16 A7 E6 51 8A F5 8D DE [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0BF4 [E] B2 D8 EA F8 D9 E9 F0 2D [X] 467
[C8Finder] B8h Apid:0FDC [E] B2 D8 EA F8 D9 E9 F0 2D [X] 467

[C8Finder] 08h Vpid:080C [E] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF [ ] 96:7 <= 08hxFFh
[C8Finder] 08h Vpid:080C [E] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 80 [ ] 13:0

[C8Finder] Ignoring 2386 of 2420 total candidates whose counts are inferior.
[C8Finder] Stream duration 00:00:57 filtered thus far.
I don't use Colibri tools, I wrote my own... from memory the Colibri rbt tools *exclude* unencrypted packets, so you won't see the plaintext padding unless you inspect the .ts with a hex editor.

The crypted C8s reported I assume are repeat patterns in the video (looks like it's a test card currently). As soon as I see encoders like this I give up... and wait for someone with one of the magic boxes to post :D
 
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wait for someone with one of the magic boxes to post
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WELL All i found with Starsat box was old golfing world Key #CW: 79 08 XX XX XX XX XX FC
@ 7.0E 12736V 7200 ENC-4 (MX1)

But dark screens ..nothing useful being sent at this moment...Feed is in Waiting feed ID will likely change again soon to old WWE Smackdown ident and key later as usual
i suspect so nothing to be concerned about right now i believe .
Thnx @ Campag5242 for info's :thum:
 
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vakula said:
BISS AU boxes do. Do what?
Find CW's without valid C8.
Don't think so.
Somebody on the "other" side founds a CW of a specific feed ( through a valid C8 ) and send it to the box server.
AGREE ?
OkK :)
Vuelta feeds , just like Turkish feeds or plenty of others, sends data, to gave a valid ( good ) C8 in well known time frame. Hope you know when perfect timing is. I do.:)
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You don't even know which method the server use to find valid CW.
As far as I know,cudabiss can find a cw without a crypt8.I mean I can do it with public tools.
And if cudabiss can do it,then I don't agree with you.
I disagree.
 
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kebien said:
You don't even know which method the server use to find valid CW.
As far as I know,cudabiss can find a cw without a crypt8.I mean I can do it with public tools.
And if cudabiss can do it,then I don't agree with you.
I disagree.
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Ok man. Respect,for your reply.
Hope this conversation will be: ....to be continued.:)
 
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Well, I continued to monitor the feed (now Serie-A highlights as barney reported). During match highlights, the encoder behaved the same, plaintext padding. BUT, during the countdown-clock-to-next-segment (part 2/4 etc), the crypted B8hxFFh etc came by the bucketload. I guess those graphics come off a different encoder & are spliced in to the ts... maybe?
 
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"Magic boxes" that costs 20$ ? vs plenty of $ for ex. your's configuration ?
Not sure.
But ok.
CW were founded. And that's the god one thing.
Agree?

My impressions are that owners of this kind of boxes are not very welcome here.
I'm wrong?

Can I propose a little challenge to the admins here?

It would be nice if every single biss feed post, contain CW & and a valid C8 to be regullary posted.
Or to clearly noticed if CW was found whith AU or with old school methods.
So we could compare a % of one or others.
What do ya think ? :)
 
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