What E2 box to upgrade to from a Qivart Dual

[dancodec]

A quick update.
Many days passed, and after I got the E2 side working properly, I never returned to the Android/Forever image. It works like crap.
So... I'm asking you guys for new fully E2 receiver recommendations. I'm looking for a device with good specs (fast, reliable, high-quality picture). Everything looks the same to me now, made in the same poor-quality company, plastic garbage remotes, 80's LED displays, etc.
Cheers

 

[kegnkiwi]

A quick update.
Many days passed, and after I got the E2 side working properly, I never returned to the Android/Forever image. It works like crap.
So... I'm asking you guys for new fully E2 receiver recommendations. I'm looking for a device with good specs (fast, reliable, high-quality picture). Everything looks the same to me now, made in the same poor-quality company, plastic garbage remotes, 80's LED displays, etc.
Cheers

The thing about the qviart dual is that its the only receiver on the market that have both the forever side and e2 side. The forever side opens more packages that the E2 side. When choosing another E2 box its all down to your budget?

 

[Ferret]

So... I'm asking you guys for new fully E2 receiver recommendations. I'm looking for a device with good specs (fast, reliable, high-quality picture). Everything looks the same to me now, made in the same poor-quality company,

Octagon SF8008 although on paper it has the same chipset as the Dual it feels quicker.

For a proper upgrade though id go for the Gigablue UE.

 

[cokeaddict]

So... I'm asking you guys for new fully E2 receiver recommendations. I'm looking for a device with good specs (fast, reliable, high-quality picture). Everything looks the same to me now, made in the same poor-quality company, plastic garbage remotes, 80's LED displays, etc

Gigablue are bringing a new box out next month, the Quad Pro 4K, which should be good quality.

There is also the Pulse 4K (been around a while now) but has build quality on par with Vu+ boxes (although I believe they have downgraded the remote control now so unsure of the quality of that).

The Octagon SF8008 has a nice remote and the build quality is ok, but not as good as Gigablue or the Pulse4K imo.

 

[dancodec]

The thing about the qviart dual is that its the only receiver on the market that have both the forever side and e2 side. The forever side opens more packages that the E2 side. When choosing another E2 box its all down to your budget?

No man. Of course, budget is important but I prefer paying for the actual technical specifications and quality. Forever Server is great but dealing with crap devices that feel recycled from garbage it's not my thing.

 

[dancodec]

Octagon SF8008 although on paper it has the same chipset as the Dual it feels quicker.

For a proper upgrade though id go for the Gigablue UE.

I got it. What model should I take a look at?

 

[Ferret]

I got it. What model should I take a look at?

Gigablue UE

 

[dancodec]

Gigablue are bringing a new box out next month, the Quad Pro 4K, which should be good quality.

There is also the Pulse 4K (been around a while now) but has build quality on par with Vu+ boxes (although I believe they have downgraded the remote control now so unsure of the quality of that).

The Octagon SF8008 has a nice remote and the build quality is ok, but not as good as Gigablue or the Pulse4K imo.

Thanks, man. I definitely will take my chances with some of these two boxes. Before some online research, I thought the VU+ was the no-brainer option but I have my doubts now, concerning those device support in the long term.

 

[Ferret]

Thanks, man. I definitely will take my chances with some of these two boxes. Before some online research, I thought the VU+ was the no-brainer option but I have my doubts now, concerning those device support in the long term.

VU+ no longer manufacture boxes for the public, support will eventually disappear for the models available, id stay away from any surplus stock they might have lying around.

 

[dancodec]

VU+ no longer manufacture boxes for the public, support will eventually disappear for the models available, id stay away from any surplus stock they might have lying around.

I know. The second-hand market is almost full of those devices, and the "new" company is still making some marketing efforts. But, if you are investing more than 200 quid in TV, better to ask some questions beforehand.

 

[cokeaddict]

Thanks, man. I definitely will take my chances with some of these two boxes. Before some online research, I thought the VU+ was the no-brainer option but I have my doubts now, concerning those device support in the long term.

Yes sadly Vu+ came to the market conquered it (produced better quality products than dmm at much lower prices) , then became a victim of there own success (undercut by all the cheap Chinese boxes) and have now left the market.

Gigablue and Octagon both been around a long time now and still going though.

 

[Ferret]

Vu came and conquered then like DMM got greedy and people looked to other box manufacturers .

 

[cokeaddict]

Vu came and conquered then like DMM got greedy and people looked to other box manufacturers .

I don't agree with that, they set prices lower than DMM for higher spec boxes, and didn't increase them until just before they left the market.

Gigablue are now the most expensive brand still in the market and their prices are not massively different from Vu+ for the same spec boxes (UE 4K £215 vs Uno4KSE £262), so approx £50 difference, but the Uno4KSE has a slightly larger display and hdmi in.

The top spec Vu+ boxes (Ultimo4K, Duo4K, Duo4KSE etc) were expensive, but there was nothing on the market that was even close with the specs.

 

[dancodec]

Vu came and conquered then like DMM got greedy and people looked to other box manufacturers .

Sad history. Maybe everybody has just turned into iptv...

 

[dancodec]

I don't agree with that, they set prices lower than DMM for higher spec boxes, and didn't increase them until just before they left the market.

Gigablue are now the most expensive brand still in the market and their prices are not massively different from Vu+ for the same spec boxes (UE 4K £215 vs Uno4KSE £262), so approx £50 difference, but the Uno4KSE has a slightly larger display and hdmi in.

The top spec Vu+ boxes (Ultimo4K, Duo4K, Duo4KSE etc) were expensive, but there was nothing on the market that was even close with the specs.

Well, the only affected were us, SAT fans. Now we have a market full of S!%&/() which still is overpriced and directly affected by greedy Broadcast license owners.

 

[Ferret]

I don't agree with that, they set prices lower than DMM for higher spec boxes, and didn't increase them until just before they left the market.

Gigablue are now the most expensive brand still in the market and their prices are not massively different from Vu+ for the same spec boxes (UE 4K £215 vs Uno4KSE £262), so approx £50 difference, but the Uno4KSE has a slightly larger display and hdmi in.

The top spec Vu+ boxes (Ultimo4K, Duo4K, Duo4KSE etc) were expensive, but there was nothing on the market that was even close with the specs.

I'd a feeling you wouldn't in fact i expected you to disagree.

Prices have dropped though on the remaining VU+ stock when i was looking for a FBC tuner receiver 2 years or so ago there was £100 difference, made me think stick your HDMI in.

Ive always been a VU fan but £100 difference on very similar spec boxes, nah they got greedy.

 

[Francescone]

Gigablue are bringing a new box out next month, the Quad Pro 4K, which should be good quality.

Have you more information about this new Gigablue box? Thanks.

 

[kegnkiwi]

You really need to wait until its released to find out the full spec but here is what i have seen. One of the things is see is that chip has been out for a long time and not as powerfull as the vu+ ones.


main features
CPU:
Broadcom BCM7252S 12K DMIPS Dual Core ARM Processor
ARM CPU (2x 1,700 MHz)
OGLES3.1, 4k60 HEVC/VP9
Memory:
RAM: 4GB DDR4
Flash memory: 8GB eMMC
Advertisement:
3" LCD color display
USB ports:
3 x USB 3.0
1 x Front USB A
2 x Rear USB A
1 x Rear USB C Host
Connectivity:
2 x CI (Common Interface)
1 x smart card reader
1 x HDMI input 2.0
1 x HDMI output 2.0
1 x optical audio output
1 x Mini USB (service port)
1 x Gigabit LAN (RJ-45/1000Mbps)
1 x SD card slot (SD Card 2.0 up to 25 MByte/s)
Internal features:
Internal HDD compartment for sliding
2 x full-band capture front end
Demodulator: 8 x DVB-S2 FBC (Full Band Capture) ex works
Plug and Play (PnP) GigaBlue Tuner v.5 (Optional) Dual DVB-C/T2
Built-in WiFi and Bluetooth module 5.4
Tuner option Plug-and-Play:
PnP Gigablue Dual DVB-S2x Tuner v.2 (Optional)
PnP Gigablue Dual DVB-C/T2 Tuner v.2 (H.265) (Optional
Remote control:
BT RCU (Bluetooth remote control)
Features:
WebKit Browser & YouTube: Integrated web browser for easy Internet browsing.
Linux OS: Operating system based on Enigma2 for fast and secure performance.
Very fast switching times: Fast response times when switching between channels.
Simultaneous decryption of 2 CI modules: Supports parallel decryption of two CI modules.
BT 5.4: Support Bluetooth 5.4, ideal for connecting to Bluetooth soundbars or headphones.
HEVC / H.265 video decoding: Efficient video decoding for high-quality image quality.
Plug&Play removable frame for 2.5" SATA hard drives: Easy replacement of hard drives with a maximum height of 15 mm.
External 12 V power supply: Power supply via an external 12 V power supply.
SAT>iP and Multiroom server function: Distribution of the TV signal to up to 16 clients in the multiroom system.
4x PIP (Picture-in-Picture): Display four images on the screen at the same time.
Blindscan: Automatically search for available satellite channels.
Software update via Internet and OTA update: Easy updating of the software via the Internet.
SAT>IP Client, Multiroom, Multiboot: Support for SAT>IP, multiroom installation and multiple operating systems.
Time-Shift: Possibility to watch television at different times.
Permanent timer function: Permanent timer settings for recording or power on.
EPG (Electronic Program Guide) support: Electronic program guide for an easy overview of programs.
Versatile customizable user interface design: Customize the interface using different skins.
Expandable with many free plugins (apps): Possibility to install additional apps and extensions.
Unlimited channel list for TV and radio: No limitation on the channel list for TV and radio.
Support for bouquet lists (favorite lists): Create and use favorite lists.
OSD in many languages: On-screen display available in different languages.
Free apps available for iOS and Android: Apps for controlling and using the device on iOS and Android devices.
Video decoding:
Video compression HVEC / H.265, MPEG-2 / H.264 and MPEG-1 compatible
Video standard PAL G/ 25 Hz, NTSC
image format 4:3 / 16:9
Letterbox for 4:3 TVs
Digital output:
sampling frequencies 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz
S/PDIF output optical (AC3)
Audio compression MPEG-1 & MPEG-2 Layer I and II, MP3
Audio mode dual (main/sub), stereo
Sampling frequencies 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 16 kHz, 22.05 kHz, 24 kHz
Power consumption:
< 13W (in operation, with LNB)
< 12W (in operation, without LNB)
< 0.5W (deep standby mode)
< 13W (in operation, with LNB)
< 12W (in operation, without LNB)
< 0.5W (deep standby mode)
External power supply:
Input: 110 - 240V AC / 50 - 60Hz / 1.5A
Output: 12V = / 5.0A
Housing:
Size: 270 x 190 x 60 mm

 

[Francescone]

Well, maybe less powerful than the top quality Vu+ Ultimo4K or Duo4KSE, but it seems a very interesting decoder.
And maybe the only high quality one in the market after Vu+ end.

 

[Ferret]

You really need to wait until its released to find out the full spec but here is what i have seen. One of the things is see is that chip has been out for a long time and not as powerfull as the vu+ ones.


main features
CPU:
Broadcom BCM7252S 12K DMIPS Dual Core ARM Processor
ARM CPU (2x 1,700 MHz)
OGLES3.1, 4k60 HEVC/VP9
Memory:
RAM: 4GB DDR4
Flash memory: 8GB eMMC
Advertisement:
3" LCD color display
USB ports:
3 x USB 3.0
1 x Front USB A
2 x Rear USB A
1 x Rear USB C Host
Connectivity:
2 x CI (Common Interface)
1 x smart card reader
1 x HDMI input 2.0
1 x HDMI output 2.0
1 x optical audio output
1 x Mini USB (service port)
1 x Gigabit LAN (RJ-45/1000Mbps)
1 x SD card slot (SD Card 2.0 up to 25 MByte/s)
Internal features:
Internal HDD compartment for sliding
2 x full-band capture front end
Demodulator: 8 x DVB-S2 FBC (Full Band Capture) ex works
Plug and Play (PnP) GigaBlue Tuner v.5 (Optional) Dual DVB-C/T2
Built-in WiFi and Bluetooth module 5.4
Tuner option Plug-and-Play:
PnP Gigablue Dual DVB-S2x Tuner v.2 (Optional)
PnP Gigablue Dual DVB-C/T2 Tuner v.2 (H.265) (Optional
Remote control:
BT RCU (Bluetooth remote control)
Features:
WebKit Browser & YouTube: Integrated web browser for easy Internet browsing.
Linux OS: Operating system based on Enigma2 for fast and secure performance.
Very fast switching times: Fast response times when switching between channels.
Simultaneous decryption of 2 CI modules: Supports parallel decryption of two CI modules.
BT 5.4: Support Bluetooth 5.4, ideal for connecting to Bluetooth soundbars or headphones.
HEVC / H.265 video decoding: Efficient video decoding for high-quality image quality.
Plug&Play removable frame for 2.5" SATA hard drives: Easy replacement of hard drives with a maximum height of 15 mm.
External 12 V power supply: Power supply via an external 12 V power supply.
SAT>iP and Multiroom server function: Distribution of the TV signal to up to 16 clients in the multiroom system.
4x PIP (Picture-in-Picture): Display four images on the screen at the same time.
Blindscan: Automatically search for available satellite channels.
Software update via Internet and OTA update: Easy updating of the software via the Internet.
SAT>IP Client, Multiroom, Multiboot: Support for SAT>IP, multiroom installation and multiple operating systems.
Time-Shift: Possibility to watch television at different times.
Permanent timer function: Permanent timer settings for recording or power on.
EPG (Electronic Program Guide) support: Electronic program guide for an easy overview of programs.
Versatile customizable user interface design: Customize the interface using different skins.
Expandable with many free plugins (apps): Possibility to install additional apps and extensions.
Unlimited channel list for TV and radio: No limitation on the channel list for TV and radio.
Support for bouquet lists (favorite lists): Create and use favorite lists.
OSD in many languages: On-screen display available in different languages.
Free apps available for iOS and Android: Apps for controlling and using the device on iOS and Android devices.
Video decoding:
Video compression HVEC / H.265, MPEG-2 / H.264 and MPEG-1 compatible
Video standard PAL G/ 25 Hz, NTSC
image format 4:3 / 16:9
Letterbox for 4:3 TVs
Digital output:
sampling frequencies 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz
S/PDIF output optical (AC3)
Audio compression MPEG-1 & MPEG-2 Layer I and II, MP3
Audio mode dual (main/sub), stereo
Sampling frequencies 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 16 kHz, 22.05 kHz, 24 kHz
Power consumption:
< 13W (in operation, with LNB)
< 12W (in operation, without LNB)
< 0.5W (deep standby mode)
< 13W (in operation, with LNB)
< 12W (in operation, without LNB)
< 0.5W (deep standby mode)
External power supply:
Input: 110 - 240V AC / 50 - 60Hz / 1.5A
Output: 12V = / 5.0A
Housing:
Size: 270 x 190 x 60 mm

Exactly the same CPU SPEC as in the VU+ Uno SE mate the DUO has a better CPU though and that chipset is the only one that will work with FBC tuners, that chipset is no longer made so there is some old stock about.

Remember, VU+ no longer make commercial sat boxes so buying one is like buying a Dreambox.

No or little support going forward if not now at some point.